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Wrong analogy. Well there are 38 spl revolvers that will accept a 357. A well used Colt SAA in 38 may or a S&W 38-44. Both are large frame guns that were built before the 357 was thought of and the ridge which would stop a 357 from being chambered is not as well defined as there wasn't a need for it to be. The cylinder is also long enough. Can't say all these guns will chamber a 357 but many will.

Vlad, I heard of Secondary Explosive Effect back in the 70s, about 40 years ago. I read it could happen with small doses of fast burning powder or reduced charges of slow burning (moreso ball) powder. While the first possibility could be dismissed to a double or triple charge I actually witnessed a case of the later seven years ago. It was not the powder, on the slow side of the middle range of burn rate for rifle powder. There is a stick powder right next to it in the burn rate chart which gives similar performance. I had supplied the powder to the guy from an 8 lb jug that I had loaded several hundred 30-06 (I still use that powder). We figured out later that the listed starting load was 48 grs, max was 52. No chace of a double charge as the max load would be a compressed charge. He loaded 44 grs. These were shot over a chrono the first round showing 2700 fps, short of what was expected the second round read 2400 fps. ??? The third rund muzzle blast knocked over the screen, had a tremendous recoil, and locked up the rifle. After hammering the bolt open the case showed every sign of overpressure. The charges had been weighed and the remainder showed the same 44 grs. There was an article in one of the big magazines in the past year or two. The magazine that has a column written by a ballistician (Rifleshooter? Handloader?). He gave theories but also added they have not been able to duplicate it in a lab. He believes it is a real thing though and after personally witnessing it. Google Secondary Explosive Effect (aka SEE) and you will find several theories.

Your story about you and being in court in Wildwood is purely anecdotal. It proves nothing other than what happened in that instance. Your racism is certainly thinly veiled. Interesting that your boycott of Wildwood be suspended by the appearance of Kenny Chesney. FWIW I've seen cases where the black guy paid his fine and the white guy was put on a payment plan. Your telling to "read the NDAA again" indicates you have little idea of what you're talking about. The NDAA has been around for. some time and tells the military how it is suppose to spend its money and what it is supposed to do. This is done in several thousand sections. I have read most of it for some time now as these were things that impacted my military and civilian jobs. I found no phrase allowing the military to "pop you". If you don't know the section number and NDAA of what year could you more accurately relate what you're trying to talk about?

Yes. NICS being open or closed has no effect on private sales. The same as you can sell a car on Sunday, a dealer can't.

Saw grenade fishing done a few times in Vietnam.

This is a must. However this is a valid use for WD40 to displace the water (what is was designed for). Follow this with regular cleaning. Hoppes #9 will remove corrosive salts but water does it better and is a lot cheaper.

Patriot, I respect your opinion but still feel you won't see 9mm revolvers making a comeback. I guess we'll just have to wait a couple of years and see who's right.

Far from my first choice but if that's all I had I'd use. solids not hollowpoints. The extra penetration from solids is more beneficial than a hollowpoint that doesn't get deep enough to create damage. The solid will tend to tumble so the wound channel is not going to be like an ice pick wound. A 22 is easily deflected in the target by heavy muscle or bone. There's where the "killing power" comes from. A surgeon has to do more damage than the bullet has done just to get to it. Yes there are one shot stops with a 22 but using at least a 38 or 9mm sure increases your chance of stopping a bad guy quite a bit.

This idea came and went in the 1980s and early 90s. It died due to lack of interest which is why you don't see other people making them. The quoted link shows an extractor star that would catch the groove on the brass. IIRC correctly the Ruger system used what looked like a round wire spring to do the same thing. There were apparently issues that made both manufacturers go t moon clips later on. I think the SP101 was only made in moon clips. The Charter uses what appears to be a very thick extractor star configured similar to S&Ws to accomplish extraction on the 9mm and 40 revolvers. BTW a 1917 S&W will headspace a cartridge in the cylinder without a clip but you then have an extraction problem. This is not Charter's first foray into 9mm revolvers. They made one for the 9mm Federal cartridge in the late 80s. This was a rimmed 9mm parabellum cartridge. The fact that this was the only gun made in this caliber and is no longer made speaks for itself. S&W made their J frame 9mms to sometime in the 90s. There are several reasons they weren't successful. They were no more compact than their 38 counterparts. 9mm parabellum offered no ballistics advantage over 38 in a short barrel. 38 has a variety of power loadings OTC that 9mm doesn't. Then there were other factors. Manufacturers made a lot of money converting most agencies to high capacity 9mms in the 80s. These were commonly referred to as wondernines. LE agencies found a easy answer to budget, training, and liabilty concerns. That was the S&W compact 9mm. The 69 series (469, 669, 6906, etc and the variants in other calibers) were large enough to shoot well yet small enough to conceal easily. Buy one gun for your uniform and plainclothes people. A gun they can carry on and off duty. Then the Federal AWB of 94 came along. The only good (yes I said good) result of that is it forced manufacturers to develop sub compact pistols like the S&W Chief Special, Glock 26, and others. If you were limited to 10 rds and you wanted to market something new why not make something that will appeal to both LE and civilian buyers. Who wanted to have a 5 or 6 shot 9mm revolver when you can have a 10 shot semi auto that was flat and considered to be easier to carry. This trend continues with offerings from Ruger, Beretta, and others. Charter quality has a reputation for being iffy. I have had a couple and their quality ranged from very good to excellent to not so good. They never made any headway into the LE market because of this. Acceptance by LE and/or the military translates into success in the civilian market. This coupled with the fact the 9mm revolver was tried and failed doesn't make it look that it would succeed now. The market wasn't there then and isn't here now.

This is evident from adoption of Bratton's "broken window" policy started during Guilianni's administration.

I'm a satisfied repeat customer of Dave's. This is my third transaction with him.

The links the OP posted refer to a :Second Bill of Rights" that was originally proposed by FDR, our 2nd most Socialist president. Now who else just might propose such a thing? You don't have to look any further than the Communist Party of the United States, http://www.cpusa.org/a-socialist-approach-to-the-bill-of-rights/ Let's look at some at some of the things proposed: "Whereas: A positive beginning to this approach is found in the suggested new preamble to the CPUSA constitution, which advocates: "...an expanded Bill of Rights, the right to a job at union wages, free education through the university level, free health care, decent housing, child care and security in old age..." and "Whereas: In both the Soviet Constitutions of 1936, and 1977, [articles 118 and 40 respectively] the very first right guaranteed to all is the right to work, and choice of job or profession based on inclination, training, etc. Rights guaranteed by the socialist system included free vocational training, free health care, rest, leisure and free vacations at government resorts, fully paid disability [and also the right of the disabled to work if they choose ] social security, housing and education.," This was written over 10 years ago. Pretty much sounds what the "Workers Stand for America" is all about. Cradle to grave nanny state. The fact is when labor unions started to grow in America prior to WWII most had ties to the Communist Party. I always think of unions efforts in WWII when they proclaim their patriotism. Unions agreed to no strikes when WWII started and would settle all differences through arbitration. Yet from Pearl Harbor to VJ Day there were over 14,000 strikes. Many times these strikes created shortages of equipment and materials which put military operations in jeopardy. Our military was bleeding and dying all over the world but unions were looking for tha 10 cents more an hour or extra break. Most of these strikes were supported by the Communist Party of the United states. These continued after the war as unions said they were needed to gain pay and benefits they should have gotten during the war. This is history. I didn't write it. Sure they are inviting everyone to this turn out because the only people they can make go is the apprentices who are still in the union's "hazing" process. These are the same apprentices that were forced to come in on their day off to distribute elect Obama stuff in 2008. The links in the OP state the $1,000,000 to run this rally was money that wasn't contributed to the Democrat Convention. I wonder why this is costing so much. If they get 10,000 to show up that's $100 a head. They serving surf and turf with a good wine? Like to the expenditure sheet on this one. This is all a not so difficult to see through operation. The law requires unions to refund on request any portion of a member's dues used to support a political candidate. How many of you anti-Obama union members did that in 2008. The unions can use a non-partisan event like this to further their socialist agenda and not refund any money. If they are promoting a socialist agenda I wonder who they are backing for POTUS? This also is a method used to appease the membership of the union. If they're pissed about having no work or little work we'll have a rally or march for "union awareness". This was a tactic often used by Lenin and Hitler. We'll cover our lack of success this way. The masses eat it up. You guys who are posting Marxist and Communist are correct in regards to this event. I'm not saying all unions are bad and have Communist inclinations but this rally sure reeks of it.

Knee jerk? BTW, how about all those union workers in the building trades who have priced themselves out of jobs so companies are bringing non-union labor in from out of state or forcing industries who want to expand to move to Mexico where they don't have to deal with any unions either in the construction of their facilities or work force. My first experience I can remember in LE with using military resources is calling in EOD from Ft Monmouth for a suspected bomb. Most smaller police departments have no bomb squads and military EOD will assist. I went to FBI SWAT school at Camp Pendleton back in 1979. It was taught by the FBI but we used USMC facilities, resources, and personnel to assist in the training. If they're moving in little by little there haven't gone far in 33 years. I've been to other LE courses and military courses that LE application at Ft Dix, Indiantown Gap, Ft Benning, and the Coast Guard training facility in Yorktown, VA. I don't see the military has made any steps toward taking over civilian law enforcement. The military has gotten funding to provide training and services to LE agencies for years. The Armed Forces give assistance to detection of drug smuggling using assets that would break the bank of most le agencies. This is done without deviating from their primary mission. Please give an example of how they've been "sneaking" in. So you're all for starting martial law in black neighborhoods but not white? I don't know the crowd you hang with. As for myself and the people I hang with the only fines we might pay is a parking ticket every few years. If you are referring to the National Defense Authorization Act (which has been around for years) can you please direct me to the section that authorizes the military to "pop" you on the side of the road? Please explain the context you are using "pop" stop, arrest, execution or whatever. If this is how you really feel I don't think your tin foil hat or armadillo shell will protect you. You better get inside your pyramid and hang the proper crystals to direct this evil energy away.

Mikey is correct. In a tube or other feeding device a chain reaction can occur. One going off in say a handpriming tool could injure your eyes if you have the brass facing you. When one goes off it sounds really loud because you're not expecting it. It probably is about as loud as a cappistol.

I base my statement on on observed performance. I guess they aren't making them as good as they used to.

JHP is always best for SD but shot placement and tactics is what wins. If I feel the need for a bigger bulet I skip the 40 and go to a 45.

Precrushing primers is a bad idea. It can become the cause of unreliable ignition and possibly your rounds to go off if dropped. You need to work on your revolver technique if you feel you need springs so light they don't reliably set off the primer. No matter what revolver you're using the engineers that designed it pretty much figured what weight springs to use. Yes they added a few more pounds for reliability but going so light as it seems you have is trying to defy physics. A primer need so much force to set it off and to be safe to handle. You've made your gun dangerous (to you) and now you're trying to make your ammo dangerous. The same goes for any mods made to a semi-auto that prevent reliable ignition. Millions of men and women have learned to shoot revolvers well without going to other than stock springs. The strain screw is not an adjustment. It should be screwed down tight. Use proper weight springs in your revolver, work on your technique, build up the muscles in you fingers and hands, and learn to use a stock revolver well without going to gimmicks. Then look at properly modifying your revolver.

If they can't get gun lube where are they getting the Mobil 1? I've been retired for 2. 1/2 years from the military and can't remember synthetic oil being generally available. I know what you're getting at though. When I had an M14 in Vietnam we would use GAA (grease autmotive and artillery). Gasoline or diesel was often used to clean small arms. I've used Break Free as a lubricant (not as a solvent)almost exclusively for the past 25 years or so and have seen no reason to go to anything else. Just make sure you shake it up so white sediment is mixed up. SARCO sometimes has surplus gallons, buy one and you'll have lube for a long time.

I guess you can change your recoil spring at these intervals if you want. I came in contact with 300-400 Glocks on a quarterly basis and never saw one that needed a replacement. When I retired these guns went at least 10,000 rds or more. My own Glocks have done a lot more rounds. Peter Kokalis ran a G17 for 170,000 rds with no malfunctions and no replacement parts. Maybe they aren't making them as good as they used to?

I've had this happen 2 or 3 times in almost 40 years of reloading. I always use a hand priming tool and CCI primers 99.9999%. It happens. Not necessarily something you did wrong. Most of the reasons have already been covered. Its kind of like dumping a motorcycle, only two kinds of people, there are those that it has happened to and those that it is going to happen to.

Not VP. Romney needs someone more conservative. If Romney wins he will offer the AG job to Christie.

There are questions that need to be answered but I don't see any conspiracy at this point. First of all what do you offer someone to commit such a heinous act? There still are plenty of people who still think Oklahoma City was as government conspiracy. What deal did they offer McVeigh? Take the rap and we'll execute you? I'm sure physchologists can explain his kill them all, surrender to the police mentality. That's what McVeigh and David Berkowitz did. They look like shinguards made of kevlar

Where do you get that you're going to be pulled over for speeding by Marines, other than a military installation, out of this article? The !rmy has had MP brigades for at least the last 50 years that I have personal knowledge of. Several of them and each is 5 or 6 battalions. The USMC being a smaller service is organizing their MPs into battalions, a smaller unit. There is nothing in this article indicating Marine MPs are going to do anything more than Army MPs and Air Force Security Police have been doing for years. Army CID, Air Force OSI, and Navy NCIS has worked with civilian LE agencies for years when military personnel have been involved in crime. The Posse Comitatus Act forbids active duty military to be used in an active civilian LE role. What's with the btw to all the cops here? Why the negative attitude towards cops?

I have an original. The curvaceous babe (Sally?) was a regular in PM Magazine which was a monthly publication. It gave you maintenance tips on how to keep everything from your immersion heaters to your OH6 helicopter running smoothly. The magazine, and Sally, were invented by Will Eisner a retired Warrant Officer who worked at Raritan Arsenal. The concept was to keep soldiers aware of maintenance issues for all kinds of equipment in an entertaining format. It worked. Eisner also wrote a book on US small arms and weapons systems in the late 50s, early 60s. The M14 was the newest small arm in the book. I have a copy of the book he autographed for my uncle who used to work with him.

There were several ways this could have turned into crap quickly. The video has been removed so I'm relying on memory in this response. 1. Can't remember if the timing allowed this but the good guy should have just shot the bad guy in the back. There is no reason to give him a chance to surrender. There is no reason to "fight fair". There. is only fighting to eliminate the threat in the situation that was presented. 2. I don't think getting up and closing the distance was necessary and may have been detrimental to the good guys advantage of surprise. Although we are not sure of the distance remember most surveillance cameras use wide angle lenses to cover more area. These will make things look farther apart than they really are. The distance between the good guy and the bad guy would actually be much shorter than it appears. The movement of the good guy getting up (a much larger image) gave the bad guy something easier to detect in his peripheral vision than just drawing. That 380 bullet at maybe 850 fps can close that distance faster than any of us can move. 3. Someone said if the good guy had a lightweight 45 it would have had more effect on the target. May be so. Or maybe he would not have bothered to carry it because it was too big. While his hit ratio was pretty good his accuracy wasn't. Keep in mind that this isn't unusual for civilians or LEOs for that matter. NYPD conducted studies comparing shooting reports to qualification records and found there is little, if any, relationship between how well one shoots on the range and how they do in a gunfight. Jeff Cooper and others have discussed and proven that gunfighting is about 95% mental and shooting skill accounts for only 5% of solving the problem. More than one gunfight has been won by someone with an inferior weapon because they were mentally prepared and, as. Wyatt Earp said, took their time in a hurry. 4. Being that the good guy had already engaged bad guy #1, he was not only right but totally justified in his engagement of #2, armed with a bat. A bat is a dangerous weapon easily capable of killing someone. Bad guy #2 also may have taken a hostage if he hadn't been engaged. The good guy didn't give a chance to. I believe he was also correct in maintaining his engagement until the bad guys went out the door. They were on the floor but they hadn't given up. There was no assurance they didn't have any other weapons. Once they were out the door he stopped. Threat was gone. 5. The major reason this incident didn't go all to hell was the bad guy's gun didn't work and bat man didn't have a gun. That's all. Call it a superior being looking out for these people or dumb luck, whatever you want. 6. Many compare gunfighting in the civilian world with the military. I feel I'm somewhat qualified to opine on this having spent a bit of time with the military and as a LEO. There are some similarties but generally they are two different things. The military destroys targets while you can only legally stop them in the civilian world. It is perfectly acceptable to shoot a fleeing enemy soldier in the back. If you're in a vehicle and ambushed the best tactic in both worlds is to get out of the kill zone. If you're dismounted and get ambushed in the military the best thing is to attack the ambush as it gets you out of the kill zone and turn the enemy's attack into a defense. I wouldn't equate what happened in FL to a military ambush. It was more like you were sitting in the mess hall eating lunch and an enemy soldier shows up ready to kill you. The best thing that happened in this incident is its a perfect example of crime does not pay...and you may get shot in the a** by a guy who's 50 years your senior.