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Ruger11, on 03 March 2011 - 01:50 PM, said: Tried before,no go.Guy at Dunkleburgers told me if you can't buy it in NJ,you can't buy it here.You can buy bb guns,hi-cap mags (seperately)even black powder pistols.But if it's a gun with any NJ evil features like 30rd mag forget it.Private people with tables at shows will sell you anything. But you have to get the private seller to fill out the NJ Certificate Of Eligibility. I bet some of them would look sideways at that. There is nothing illegal about selling you a hi cap magazine, it would be illegal for you to being it back here or you canleave it out of state. I can understand why selling you the gun with the mag may be illegal but selling you the mag separately is okay. Buying from a private seller out of state is a felony for both you and the seller. Many NJ residents that had verboten guns and high cap mags moved them to their summer house in PA and that's perfectly legal also.

I wish I could have had the time to buy an older style 10/22 instead of these rotary style configuration ones. Always rotary mags in the 10/22. If you're looking for a 44 Ruger carbine with a tubular mag I may know someone.

I've shot 10/22s for over 40 years and have had zero problems with the magazines.

I don't know if you can feel a recoil difference but there is definitely something different that even my wife felt without me saying a thing. There are several things going on here. SAAMI 9mm is 35,000 psi, NATO is like 36,500, and +P is 38,500 psi. All max pressures. That's not to say some SAAMI ammo (the 115 say) is loaded to 32,000 psi and the NATO is loaded to 36,000 psi which would make the NATO give more recoil. Another thing is muzzle blast which bothers (or gets more attention from shooters) than recoil. If the 115 had more muzzle blast it would seem to give more "recoil". She may have been holding the gun a little different one magazine to the next which would affect her perception. You can go to this calculator, http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp and play with some figures and see bullet weight and velocity play more of an influence on recoil than the powder charge. The difference in powder charge between a 115 and 124 is negligible. A 115 or 124 9mm round of the same spec (SAAMI. NATO, or +P) will genereally be so close in recoil there are other factors (such as muzzle blast) which changes your perception. [iYou can tell there is a difference][/i] If you're saying 115 or 124 and going to a 147 I agree. Calculate recoil on some known loads with chronogarphed velocities and you'll see what I mean. Big difference will be in the charge and type of powder you are using. A lower charge, heavier bullet with a slower powder such as WSF or N340 will be more of a push than a 115 gr loaded with W231 or N310, which are faster powders and will be more of a snap. This is true but there is no reason to go to a different powder going from a 115 to 124 gr and you can find a powder to load 115 to 147 grain.

heavier bullet + less powder = lower "felt recoil" should have no issues on wear and tear But the heavier bullet makes up for the reduced charge. In reality I would challenge anyone who claims they can feel the diffrence in recoil between a 115 and 124-125. In actual use. no matter what the use may be, you'll find no discernable difference bewteen the two with the exception of accuracy and that would be an individual gun preference.

Yup, GP100 or a 686 should do it! I agree. I have a several 4" 357s, S&W 19, Taurus 669, and GP100. I carried a S&W 19, M66, and 686 as a duty gun and the Ruger is my favorite.

You've already bought the best all around 9mm Glock IMO. Are you set on another semi-auto? If not a 4" 357 Magnum is about the best all around handgun AFAIC. If you learn the trigger on a DA revolver everything else is easy.

For those of you who have flown in/out of Newark with a handgun, have you brought hollowpoints? Any issues? None other than ensuring the ammo was properly packaged as required by TSA.

Yoiu need to slug your bore to be absolutely sure of the diameter. Midway and Brownell's has kits for this so you can do it yourself. I would use cast bullets sized .001" over bore size. Look at molds made for 303 British.

Maybe they get a lot of cops or something. There has to be at least a couple of thousand Federal officers in the Newark/NY area so its highly likely they get a couple of dozen a day through Newark. This they know how to handle as procedures have been long established to do this. In this case you will see the PAPD as part of your screening if you carry on the plane. If you're an LEO and checking the gun the procedure is the same as a non-LEO.

So you have a 100% conviction rate. I bow to you Actually lost two cases. One was I had the 12 bumpkins on the jury and the other the guy had his friend take the rap. That is included in BS. There were also two tickets I wrote when I was a municipal police officer where I realized I had made a mistake, called the people and told them to come to court so the judge could dismiss the charge. I had to do it this way because if I just tried to void the ticket administratively the captain would have told me "just let the guy pay it". There were also cases that were pled down but that's something you don't have control over. No not 100% but better than 99.9% whether or not you count the two tickets I mentioned.

may I ask what makes it so difficult to fly out of Newark with a firearm? I wouldn't say its difficult its just seems that they (airlines and TSA) act like it never happened before. They know you can do it but are slow in dealing with it unlike O'Hare or LAX.

Has anybody here ever flown out of Newark or NY with a handgun? I have flown out of both to several locations including LA and Chicago with handguns. This was before Heller and McDonald. Never had any contact with police anywhere. Only had to deal with airline personnel and TSA anywhere I went. Never asked anything for anything more than my usual picture ID (DL). Actually LAX and Chicago were the easiest and actually followed procedures 100%. Chicago was the only place the airline rep asked to see if the gun was unloaded. LAX they never wanted to see the gun. They just had me put the tag in the case (which was locked inside a locked Haliburton 2 suiter), asked me if it were locked, walked me over to TSA who told me to wait while they xrayed it in case they wanted to open it, TSA apparently were satisfied with the xray and told me thanks. The only problem I ever had was in Kansas City where they have some private security (not TSA doing the screening). The guy wanted me to give him the key to the gun case which was about 15 feet from me so I could see what he was doing if he turned the side of the suitcase toward me. I told him TSA regs said I was supposed to keep possession of the keys all the time. He told me give him the keys or my bag was not going on that plane. I know I was right and could have made a stink but comprimsed and told him to turn the suitcase so I could see what he was doing. At first he refused and I asked him "what are you trying to hide". This ticked him off but he turned the suitcase the way I wanted.

Convicted and charged are two different animals. Yes it does happen. I have first hand knowledge. I waas a LEO for over 30 years and I can assure you I know the difference between charged and convicted. An arrest without a conviction is BS. Would you care to share your experience?

Walking to the store with one HP bullet (not a cartridge) in your pocket is breaking the law. Can someone point out a case or two where someone was convicted of possession of that one hollowpoint in the past 10 years without being charged with any other violation? I have asked this several times in the past but no one seems to be able to show any such arrest happening. Yes it is illegal but it just doesn't happen. Back in the 90s when the holowpoint law came in some police departments were charging people who were drug dealers that dumped their dope and gun but didn't get rid of the ammo with Possession of Hollowpoints and no other charges. They were told to stop charging anyone with hollowpoints unless there was something else. Everyone was on board until he snubbed the forums and the assorted foundations that were going to support him. I was one who witheld support until I heard more of the story about Aitken. I don't think anyone has the whole story but when I heard he had said something to upset his Mother, she called the police and then called him convincing him to come back to her house, and he was with the police there for two hours before he was arrested was enough of the story to convince me he brought this on himself to some degree. Yes, 7 years was too much time but he refused to accept a plea...because he felt he was not guilty?

If someone comes to your house and you show off your collection and hand them a gun to look at, illegal. There are no exemptions under temporary transfer sections in the statutes permitting an owner to transfer his/her firearm to another person in your home. not if you are conducting instruction and training at any location The law doesn't say you have to be a certified anything or the instruction or training has to be formal. If you are over my house and I want you to educate you regarding the fine Swiss watch action on my K31 it would be covered under instruction and training.

Is it possible to do in NJ, what they did in Austin TX? Meaning, hangout outside said buyback, and purchase working, and usable firearms from people? I would be a bit leery of doing this for other reasons. I'm sure at least some of these guns were used in crimes. No better way to destroy the evidence tha let the police do it for you. Grandma with Grandpa's S&W Victory Model he carried when he was bombing Japan from a carrier during the summer of 1945 is a different story.

Lastly, one key point is that a state cannot increase carry restrictions without impacting retired police Retired police are already copvered under LEOSA. Different set of rules. if nj prevails and maintains the justifiable need requirement There are already "may issue" states that require a "justifiable need" that are not that picky and will accept any reasonable need listed. I don't think NJ would gp to no carry.

Quote a person who is carrying a valid license which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed handgun in any State, other than the State of residence of the person, that has a statute that allows residents of the State to obtain licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms. The language is a bit confusing. This part at least: other than the State of residence of the person It would seem you would need to get a permit from your state of residence to carry there. In short if you are a NJ resident and have a FL permit, you can carry anywhere but NJ. Deleting "other than the State of residence of the person" makes more sense. In any case NJ would have to do something regarding rewriting the carry permit statute. They have to take Heller and McDonald in consideration. They could not restrict it only to retired LEOs and security personnel. Obamanocchio may sign it as he is trying to do damage control, get a democrat Congress back in 2012 and then go after everyone's guns.

If your that concerned transport the ammo on a seperate trip from the guns. I can't see what difference this would make. If everything is packed properly in the car what diffrence does it make if you have guns and ammo or make two trips.

I will not argue UK Top Gear is better than the US version. That may be because they've had 15 years of practice doing it. I also liked the episode where they went to Albania to test a Mercedes, Rolls, and Bentley. The Bentley was a no show so they substituted a Yugo. They must have went to the local police chief and gave him $500 s they could stage a phony bank robbery. The Top Gear gutys came out of the bank with guns in their hands and stocking masks and were chased by the local police (driving Chevy Aveos, buying Chevy Aveos as part of a foreign aid package undoubtedly helped GM).

I believe "by law enforcement agency" means that they are running the firing range The statute says "law enforcement agency" not "at a range run by the LE agency". Don't put something in the statute that isn't there. and if the firearm is received,......instruction and training at any location./i] You didn't read that part. Instruction or training conducted by Lautenberg and Miller! Yes, they are educating us because they are all the experts! Since Lautenberg and Miller were not on a firing range As the statute says above it can be for instruction and training at any location. any other person competent to supervise the handling and use of firearms and authorized to act for that purpose by the legal owner or licensed dealer. The legal owner of the firearm or the licensed dealer shall be on the premises or the property of the firing range during the entire time that the firearm is in the possession of the person to whom it is temporarily transferred. As they are likely seized firearms any designated representative could be present to supervise the handling. Being that a LE agency owns the guns a designated representative can also act as the owner. Same as the owner of a rental range doesn't have to be on the premises, a designated representative rents you the gun.

Permits is state. NICS is federal. Yes but NJSP runs NICS for NJ and collects the fee.

The question we should be asking is why do we have to get a background check done to get the pistol permit when NICS is more up to date and deciding factor if you get the gun or not.

so why can't we have our fun with it for a few days? well okay just as long as no one makes a jerk out of themselves. If you are going to say that statement is isolated from the rest of items in 2C:58-2 then I could argue that if you, a dealer or a law enforcement agency transferred me a firearm then I could receive, possess, CARRY, or use it ANYWHERE, and not just at a firing range. You are not following what the statute says. The person to whom a handgun, rifle or shotgun is temporarily transferred by the legal owner of the firearm or a licensed dealer may receive, possess, carry and use that handgun, rifle or shotgun, if the transfer is made upon a firing range operated by a licensed dealer, by a law enforcement agency, a legally recognized military organization or a rifle or pistol club which has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits to the superintendent a list of its members and if the firearm is received, Carry is covered in other atatutes. This statute only covers temporary transfer. Don't put something in the statute that isn't there.