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I don't know about that. By the time I retired I'd been using and overseeing Glocks for about 20 years. At the end of my career I was overseeing a couple hundred Glocks 9mms and got regular reports of issues for the several thousand my agency used. By the time I retired some of the personally owned guns has over 30,000 rounds through them. My 26 must have over 40,000 rounds through it. I have personal knowledge of exactly one part failing in that time. A recoil spring guide snapped because the guy was trying to put the gun together the wrong way. I understand there are reasons people use aftermarket parts. However, I'm of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it crowd".

? This is still America. You can pretty much do what you want.

7th time? I guess you still don't get it. Filing bs lawsuits makes you look like a whiner. It also eats up assets, no matter how small, that could be used for the better fight. One needs to prioritize. One never wins by throwing your assets into bs you when have little chance of success. We didn't lose 2A rights all at once and we're not going to get them back that way. Rather than argue your point to me or most people here, you'd be better off going to a collector's forum to drum up support.

You're confusing the issue and don't seem to understand how things work. You ignore an issue one presents because you don't have an answer for it. You seem to want everyone to support you, on what you call, "Hail Mary" plays. You want to spend a lot of other people's money on long shots. I can't understand why you don't see this. People don't want to contribute to causes that have little, if any, chance of success. You're asking people to support something that you up front admit is unlikely to succeed. Can't you understand why you don't have so much support for your idea?

Okay, you should have said that long ago.

Uh...that's a different thread. I never said collectors were too small a group to worry about their "plight". I said there are bigger issues to deal with that deserve assets. I find it ironic for someone who presents himself as a fiscal conservative wants everyone to finance a cause for you.

You realize that SCOTUS only hears about 1% of the cases brought to it. I think CCW, OGAM, and AWBs are much more likely to be heard than NJ does not recognize C&R licenses. Suing every LEO who has infringed on someone's 2A rights? Yes we are all aware of such instances but are you talking about an LEO enforcing one on NJ's bs gun laws? I'll get into that next. Suing legislators that voted to infringe of the 2A? You realize of course that before you sue the legislators you need to prove the laws they voted for are unconstitutional. You are also talking a 10A issue here. Collusion between the executive and legislative branches? That's supposed to happen. The executive let's the legislative know what laws they need to get the job done. Obamanocchio bypassed this by issuing Executive Orders (many of them illegal IMO). You also realize that all three branches of government have certain immunities. These are needed for them to do their jobs. You seem to think if SCOTUS rules something unconstitutional every judge, cop, and legislator related to that issue should be held personally responsible. It doesn't work that way. Your idea of suing everyone won't get anywhere.

I never said I agreed with all of NJ's gun laws. What attitude do you speak of? Not breaking a law so I don't go to jail?

Modern youth rifles areally all at least 26" overall and have 16" or longer barrels. They look shorter than they are to many. You say plenty of "approved" rifles with barrels under 16". You're talking those on the Curio and Relic list. Not something one usually buys for general shooting. Being exempt from the NFA and being allowed to have then in NJ are two different things. IIRC NJ still requires a rifle to be 26"overall and 16" or more of barrel.

Brunch at Capricio's at Resorts AC. Haven't been there in a while though.

The North Store in Ohio is a lot closer.

CMP only wants to be sure you've had some kind of training in gun handling. The link 10x provided has a list. That list and CMP's list of organizations is very liberal IMO. The only proof I needed to submit was a copy of my military ID card.

Come on you'd spend more than that on an AR. Garands are a finite resource. The fewer there are, tell higher the price. Simple supply and demand. I've gotten a few rifles from CMP in the past. My best shooter is a field grade I picked out at the North Store. WW2 Springfield receiver, Danish VAR barrel, Danish cartouche on the stock, and mostly Beretta parts. IIRC I paid $495 for it 10 years ago.

Best steak? Tad's Steaks in NYC back in the 60s. $1.19, steak, baked potato and spoonful of green beans. Terrific value for the money!

Sundays at Klees in Seaside. Best bloody Mary with bacon, shrimp, pepperoni, and assorted veggies. Voted one of 10 best I had two for dinner last Sunday.

All of that is fine. If it's what you want and you can afford it go for it. That CZ goes for over $800 everywhere I've looked. Add halfway decent glass and you're talking $1000. That's twice as much as the stated budget. There are plenty of more affordable options out there.

All that's nice but we're talking a on the street price of about $800 without glass. My 10/22 does almost that good at about a third of the price with a scope. One needs to ask oneself, how much accuracy do I want?

You really think you can get someone to put up big bucks when a good portion of it will be spent getting no where? Why is that so hard for you to understand?

There lies the downside of your argument. Why would any big buck donor provide funding for frivolous lawsuits you suggested earlier in this thread. They would want to see their money spent wisely. Looking for a bottomless pit of money is what the Democrats do when they think taxes.

I learned to always have something up my sleeve after reading "The Five Chinese Brothers".

I'm not changing your words. Just saying where effort and money areceived better spent. Filing a successful C&R lawsuit would benefit 187 people (using the figure posted). Yes there would be a few thousand that would might get them if successful. If you get all the C&R holders in NJ to contribute $1000 to the cause you'll have enough to get started. People generally don't want to contribute to a lawsuit that doesn't effect them. A successful CCW lawsuit would benefit a lot more people. If 10% of the gun owners in NJ (and I would guess the percentage higher) that would be 100,000 getting a CCW. That would also reduce crime benefiting even those that don't get a CCW. The state would take in $5,000,000 at $50 a CCW. Even with poor management prevalent in NJ State Government that would still give the state a few million dollars they didn't have before. Frivolous lawsuits are the last thing I thought you would ever be advocating. They only accomplish wasting assets and money on both sides. The only winner there is the lawyer who filed the lawsuit and the lawyer hired by the government to defend it. Any battle, military or legal, has to be fought with the minimum assets needed to be successful. I've already said I think most of NJ's gun laws are stupid. Pursuing a lawsuit for NJ to recognize C&R is a waste of money at this point. The assets and money are needed to fight for more important things.

Not thinking small. Looking at the big picture. Your desire for a lawsuit for C&R FFL being recognized would benefit a very small number of people. You're thinking small. Wanting to seek something that would only benefit a few. A lawsuit for carry permits would benefit many, many more and also have many more people willing to financially support it. I'm not familiar with the Scientology cases. Others win lawsuits against tye Federal government. Details or a link would give credence to this example. I do know there were a few cases they lost against the Federal government. Yeah NJ is broke. They will keep raising taxes until they can't. Then they'll cut funds from programs that don't produce Democrat voters. NJ liberals will usually find money somewhere to defend their causes.

Bury the state in lawsuits? The state would just go hire more lawyers to defend them. The state has bottomless funding to pay their legal expenses compared to most litigants. Guess who pays for that? Better to file lawsuits you have a strong argument for and good chance of winning. I think you're out of touch with something. You are aware conjuring up a reason and proving it are two much different things. People with low incomes live from paycheck to paycheck. Most have little, if any, disposable income. If they do have some disposable it is more apt to be spent buying their kid a bike or going to Great Adventure for the day not start collecting C&Rs. That goes for low income people of any race or ethnicity. Do you know several people with low incomes who can testify they would start collecting C&Rs instead of paying off the credit card balance used to buy the kids toys for Christmas? The 2A protects the right to keep and bear arms not collect them. Money for lawsuits for carry permits, "assault weapons", magazine capacities, and other 2A issues is better spent.

Wal Mart will price it at $19.77 to give the impression you're saving a lot more money.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying how does NJ not recognizing C&R violate the 2A? The only argument you've presented is its a financial burden for low income people. One could make a better argument against carry permit fees imposed by most states. Or pistol permit fees. You haven't seen that go anywhere. You don't see many low income people with collections of firearms. I don't agree with any of NJ's bs gun laws. My point is you need a worthwhile argument for your issue. How does NJ not recognizing C&R interfere with the 2A? This interferes with a small group of people like you. This is the argument you need to make. There are many more issues with NJ gun laws more worthy of litigation than this as they effect more people.