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I bought my O/U from there (used by the way) and I agree 100%. It's been several years but they also have an astounding group of gunsmiths there, I believe they also build custom guns on premises. I dont know where else I would want to take a $60K gun for repair, if I could ever afford such a thing.

Mak - I don't disagree that the guy's a dumbass, I just found the pig pile to be a bit much. The speed at which fellow gun owners shit all over each other is astounding to me considering the laws in this backward state and that every other post on this forum (and every other NJ related firearms forum) are about trying to unearth obscure firearms legal arcana. If just being a dumbass warranted a 10 year prison sentence I think most of us would have served some time. Like I said, I don't disagree with you... mostly.

Besides jamming up the gun on purpose to simulate say an extraction failure, you can add dummy rounds in the mag while you shoot or just while you're sitting in your living room to try them out. When I took the MDTS training, once we performed the malfunctoin drills we loaded every mag thereafter with at least one of these things, at random places in the mag. So while we were going through the rest of the drills (some of which were speed drills) the gun would jam at least once per mag and force you to clear it. Really drove home the drills and it became second nature very quickly. If you've never done any formal tactical handgun training and are considering using the gun for self defense, I'd highly recommend it. Well worth it in my opinion.

NICE! So... how does it shoot?

Wow, there's alot of hate here. I especially find charming the comments on his heritage, income bracket and personal appearance. :roll: I do know that he built AK's from kits (he was organizing a build party shortly before he was arrested) and I can tell you that most AK kits come with the full auto parts. There's no need to order them seperately from some sort of 'shady' dealer. In fact many of your AK's (like your AR's) probably contain some FA parts. (You can all tell whether or not you AK BC has the sear trip on it right?) If it truly was FA why wasn't it a Federal case? As far as what transpired between him and the informant that got him into his current predicament only the 2 of them know for sure unless someone here has transcripts of the conversation. I'm not defending his poor choices (I know he was found with some Hi-Cap mags and really who posts pics like that on the internet?) but I've seen plenty of people run afoul of the law here and even in the free states for issues that are fairly minor and then once you're in the cross hairs, the charges start coming rapid fire. (Everyone clear on the laws about Hollow points?)

It's a pump so you can have a folder with a pistol grip, flashhider and any other crazy feature usually only found on guns in the free states. If it was a semiauto shotgun with the same exact features though, you'd be done for. :roll:

That's crazy! Of course if you're really worried you could put one of these in your living room. It's even NJ legal! http://www.dragonm50.com/semi.html I've been told that bear tastes terrible.

Multicam is designed for just about any environment, in my opinion Woodland is too dark for anything but the deep woods. I have a set of Multicam that I use for both Turkey hunting and on the occasion I play paintball. I think it works great and apparently so do the US special forces. Now even the UK is adopting a custom form of Mutlicam.

I wasn't sure if you were looking for wilderness survival training or not but I just did a quick search around and it seems there is actually a school here in NJ: http://www.trackerschool.com/

The Germans at that time were the most feared soldiers in the world. Not only had they begun secretly revamping their military long before hand (which helped propel them out of the depression) They cut their teeth and polished up their tactics during the Spanish Civil War. So when war broke out shortly afterwards there is no doubt there were the most advanced, prepared, battle hardened army anywhere. Sadly, the Swastika is Centuries old (perhaps more) and is a symobol of good luck in many cultures, long before it became bastardized under the Nazi's. One thing you have to realize is that Hitler didn't wake up one day and decide 'I want to kill 18-20 million people including 6 million Jews'. The program that later grew into the holocaust was started to cut the heavy cost on the state (It was during the depression remember.) So basically they said the same thing that many people on this board probably think, why are we paying all this money to feed and house serial murderers and the criminally insane? So they decided to drive them around in a truck (with the exhaust pipe sticking into the back) and then just tell the family that they died of natural causes in their sleep. These were the dregs of society, really who cared? Even if the family put up a fight it wasn't like they were Nobel prize winners. That sure cut down the overhead for a lot of these prisons and insane asylums and freed up money for public works and military projects to help propel the econmy forward. The problem was mental defectives and degenerates of all kind were eventually added to the list, homosexuals, Gypsies (they were nearly wiped out completely) and everyone else that the Nazis weren't real happy with (including obviously the Jews). It didn't help the Jews that Hitler had felt personally wronged by them earlier in his life. Making Hitler and the Nazis out to be demons that could only come about when the stars align in some unholy ceremony once a millenia is silly for a variety of reasons. One, as much as he was hated he had a large number of useful contributions (Like the highway system in Germany which became the map for the one here in the US and abroad, and bringing his country up out of depression which is no small feat). Two, he was simply a man who with a group of other men made decisions that became progresively more vile. The same thing could happen here or any where else in the world (and has, after all the bathists (remember Saddam Hussein) were a direct offshoot of the Nazi party) in small, incremental but progressive steps. The moral, and I think we can all relate to this in some form, is that even small incremental changes in government, made by a single party or even group of them, can have a terrible effect on our society if not checked.

I am a bit torn on the whole thing as well. I'm not a huge fan of the National Socialists and believe that this will be spun against them no matter what happens, but I can't argue with them attempting to do SOMETHING. I have to say that having seen some of the people from the 'Southern Poverty Law Center' speak, there isn't a single member of this board they wouldn't consider to be an enemy of the state. They're as radical as the Neo Nazis. Except for the fact that I'd be dismissed as a right wing, neo nazis fruit cake who eats children and beats nuns, I'd consider a road trip.

Do you consider the unnecessary noise level due to that particular gun or to the 308 round? I've been planning on picking up a few things in 308 (including possibly an AR10) and was curious. Very nice looking gun Damagedworld.

7.62x54 was considered to be a groundbreaking round when it was developed and one of the major contributors to the accuracy and dependability of the moisin nagant. That and they didn't just pull 7.62mmx39 out of a hat, every weapon they had in inventory at that point used that same bore diameter from rifles to pistols. I think that was just another reason that Kalashnikov wondered "why the hell are we copying the Americans with this silly sized 5.45 round?" which was completely different from anything else they had been using previously

If you lived in PA I'd say get a SBR'd Krink like in the photo above.

Thanks for the info, for some reason I thought they were Romanian. I didn't realize they were made at Izhmash, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong Today I see why you made the change to Saiga, I noticed after a quick search that they lack the standard Izhmash AK markings which sort of shoots my very short lived idea of a perfect Russian clone, but that's probably the closest you'll get without shelling out big money for demilled Russian parts. I couldn't find them in a quick search but what are the differences with the GB and sight block (actually you didn't specify which one, the FSB and/or RSB?), just external dimensional differences to accomodate the spiffy furniture redesign or...? From what I can tell from the photos it looks like it uses a smooth Gas tube like an AMD but I'm guessing it must be the same length as the standard AKM gas tube? Does anyone own the .308 variant and if so how does it shoot? Thanks again for the info.

That would make it difficult to clean them. I think the only problem you would have is if it was in any way deemed threatening. But I guess cleaning it in your house could somehow be deemed threatening in this state now that I think about it.

I don't know Damaged, he asked for a rifle, not a project Seriously though, I agree with you. I haven't purchased a Saiga (well not yet at least) but I have purchased many demilled AK's and several NDS receivers and nothing teaches you about the inner workings of the AK rifle like putting it together yourself. I've got a Bulgarian AK74 that is sitting towards the top of the pile and is begging me to order a new NDS2 soon. The WASR and Saiga are fairly similar though with the exception that out of the box the Saiga has an even more dreadful fire control as they've pushed everything back and so use some weird trinker linkage? The actual rifles are both built of the standard Romanian AK design and receiver at their heart and can both be made more useful with the addition of a G2 trigger group and additional mods or am I incorrect? I've heard that the Saiga furniture isn't necessarily directly swappable with the standard AKM furniture but I'm not sure how much they really differ. Like I said I own neither a WASR nor a Saiga so I'm honestly curious.

Since no one else has mentioned it yet, If you're changing calibers you could go with a WASR-2 which I notiecd Henderson has for only $450. I bought 2K+ rounds of ammunition for less than $300 delivered. Good luck with that in either of the aforementioned calibers. Of course I haven't actually bought a rifle in 5.45 quite yet, (Well I've got everything except the receiver but I get a little bit ahead of myself sometimes) but when I do I'm set.

Yeah, and under pressure, or in front of a bunch of peers, everyone is going to ask? The first thing you do when you buy a new gun is load it up and shoot it? I take some time to check it out and get how it works down first. Long story short, a few people I shoot with sometimes, tried to do something like this, and an AD happened because the shooter was unfamiliar with the pistol.. in the end, the bullet ended up in the berm, because rule #1 was followed, but the point is that the bullet wasn't intended to go there. On the show, they gave the shooters time the day before to familiarize themselves with the M9, next to an instructor. And then, during the pipe shooting thing, one of them forgot to put the safety on while putting it down. Not saying this thing isn't a good idea.. but we aren't getting shot at, we don't need to save our selves from pirates, this is a fun competition, lets be safe about it. When I did the pistol training class with Chris at MDTS a few weeks ago we performed a drill called 'malfunction junction'. Basically you run up to the table, grab the first pistol, aim at the target and pull the trigger. When it fails to go off you run through the malfunction drills (One actually fired the first time as it was out of battery and slid into battery when I picked it off the table, like you said always need to be safe). Then you shoot the steel plate downrange and pick up the next pistol and repeat (There were 7 pistols total). The pistols were pulled from the participants and we had mostly Glocks, a Beretta and a Ruger (They all had to be 9mm to prevent an accidental ammo swap). The interesting thing was that the Beretta messed most people up (including not only myself but ironically the guns owner as well) as the safety was on (who builds a pistol with a safety! ). The idea was to not only force you to clear the gun under stress but also to simulate the idea of having to pick up someone else's handgun and be able to operate it in an emergency. I'm guessing Chris has probably run that drill hundreds of times without issue and if you can do it under stress I'm sure in a somewhat relaxed environment it shouldn't be a problem as long as everyone follows the basic safety rules. I think the idea of leveling the playing field somwhat by using the same equipment would be closer to the aim of the competition as well.

Thanks everybody for the input! I guess I'll have to start the long painful process of getting my pistol permits and then I can spend the next 6 months thinking it over. :doh: Thanks again.

Puerto Ricans are US citizens as Puerto Rico is a Common Wealth of the US, not a state. If Puerto Rico wants to become a state that's great, they can get in line with the rest of us. The fact is they don't, they wish to remain independant and still reap the benefits. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not aware of any ongoing movement within NJ for independance from the US, though if so I think the US would probably gain from ditching NJ if you want me to be honest. Last I looked the US Government has been dropping Munitions on this state for decades (at least). It was only a few years ago that the National Guard accidentally dropped munitions on a local school and if I remember correctly they were still cleaning up WWI munitions off the beach last I heard. As far as Puerto Rico in particular I personally feel they should either become a state or become independant, I could care less which honestly. Being down in the islands and being good friends with many people from there, Im sure Puerto Rico has gorgoues scenery, great people for the most part and enough dipshits to F everything up like everywhere else I've been to in that area. As for the reason for my initial posting I'm tired of paying for the US to police the world (not Puerto Rico in particular but everywhere) when they can't even keep shit together here and we're not even wanted. I'm sick of places like Japan, Germany and South Korea bitching loudly about our troops being there and quitely hoping they never leave so they don't take the economic hit and (at least in South Korea's case) hoping North Korea doesn't see us leave and restart the ass kicking.

Unless he moved he's located on Rt 22 in Hillside.

Why don't we just kick this place loose and let them stand on their own? We can't even use the place as a bombing range anymore so what benefit is there in keeping it? (Honestly, I have no idea so if anyone out there does, let me know.) The Puerto Rican Nationalists have been trying to break free for almost a century and while they haven't attempted to assassinate our President lately, I don't see the reason for holding on to the place any longer. I think the only reason that half the population there doesn't want independence is that they loose out on all of the benefits of being a US territory.

The story I heard was that during the final few days of the bill there was a bank robbery. Both of the robbers had m1 carbines and so they were just added to the list right before the bill was voted on. There is no other reason to ban the weaon, I believe that the standard mag capacity is even 15rds.

It only makes sense to be civil when you live in a civil world. When someone is kicking down your door with the express reason to do you and your family harm you're left with only 2 choices, fight them or die. You could attempt to flee but they'll still keep coming for you. There are those of us who care about the basic civil rights and freedoms that we feel all free men must enjoy. There are others who feel it is perfectly acceptable to take what they want, when they want, through the use of force or guile, simply because they can. The latter group are those that stand in the way of a free and lasting society. Failure to recognize and stop them will only hasten the demise of the society in which we all wish to live in.