jeff47

I would say that is perfectly legal based on the law. Of course if you had this and a flash hider in your possesion, that could be a real problem. Whether or not you'd get hassled about it is a different story of course...

Unlike CA NJ doesn't seem to have any kind of legal definition for "removable". Before the tweak in the CA Law that specified "removable without a tool", some people would simply weld the mag in place and field strip it in order to load the magazine which is a huge PITA but if you're going for looks only it works. It seemed to be easier to do with an AR. Personally I'd love to build a nice BFPU syle AK but I'm not sure how to do that and be able to keep the lug. I'd say cut the lug. I beleive you only need to cut the square tab off the lug (as it also holds the cleaning rod) but someone will chime in to correct me if I'm wrong.

there was an add in the marketplace or you can just PM junkmanted, he had a guy making them.

Verizon is rolling out 4G now. They're stopping by my office in 2 weeks for a demo. My buddy went to demo at one of their facilities a few months ago and said it was incredible, full ethernet speed and totally IP based (I'm guessing IPv6?). They were streaming full video phone functionality between 2 test cell phones. If it's half as cool as it sounds it should be realy interesting. I have to say Verizon is notorious for cutting the functionality of their phones but at least they rarely drop my call.

Jeff, How did you like the Charles Daly? I like the looks of them but they went out of business. That has me worried about parts if it breaks. Chris Chris - I really like it, its the one with the Miroku barrels (sp?). Handles and shoots very well. I'm guessing I put at least 3000+ shells through that gun with no problems and it still looks really good, the bores are still like mirrors. I bought it from Griffin and Howe up in Bernardsville about 10 years ago and it was in perfect condition when I bought it. I have no idea how many rounds the previous owner put through it but worst case the gunsmith up at Griffin and Howe seemed to be fantastic (or at least he was back then) and I wouldn't hesitate to take it back up there since the guy works primarily on crazy high end shotguns and rifles (When I was there he was working on a shotgun that looked like it was literaly 100 years old). I wouldn't normally shop there but my uncle had bought a few guns from there and he took me up there after we went to about 3 or 4 other shops. Fit me perfectly with no need to adjust and I did the sale right there. Bottom line, very happy. Hope that helps. - Jeff

I used to shoot a lot of trap before they closed down the county range here a few years back. I used a Charles Daly O/U with 32" barrels. (It's actually too long to fit into my gun cabinet in one piece.) It also weighs FAR more than more 590. It weighs a ton since I'm not carrying it like a field gun and the extra mass obviously helps deaden the recoil. I learned to shoot using a single barrel break open gun that was a piece of junk that someone lent me to see if I wanted to try it out. Compared to the O/U that thing used to beat the hell out of me, even with light loads. Speaking of which you don't need to shoot 1&1/8oz shells with a 12ga for trap, I never used more than 1 oz loads You can use the AA light target loads or even the ultra light target loads that are only 7/8oz. With even a decent gun those loads are pain free. I never used any kind of pad outside of the stock recoil pad on the gun and I'd regularly shoot 4-6 rounds of trap on a weekend.

Based on the letter above I would say if it's permanently altered then you're good to go. What the hell "permanently altered" means exactly is beyond me, but i would say if it is extremely difficult to convert them back to more than 15 rounds where you basically need to destroy the mag, that would be pretty permanent. If nothing else you could epoxy the floorplates in place after you get them so you would need to remove the entire bottom of the mag to get it apart?

I just started playing again last season, after a ~8-10 year hiatus. I've got an entry level A5 but I'm considering getting an Egrip since it would be the only legal way I'll be able to own anything full auto. That and I've found full auto is pretty common on the fields but I didn't see a need to drop a grand or 2 on a gun if I wasn't going to use it much. When I first started playing it was pumps only, after playing for a few years off and on, I was using a tipmann pro-lite, most of my buddies were using cockers. I stopped playing about the same time that full auto guns like the Angel were first introduced. There is a lot of shit talking from 16 year olds with more equipment than they could have ever purchased on their own, no doubt. I played several games at NewBreed last year (which seems to have either just opened last year or was under new management). Nice place but not too big, most of the fields were fairly small and fast. last year, I also went out to Skirmish, which has some absolutely incredible fields but is out of control huge if you've never been there before.

I believe he was also charging people $50 to assemble their AR parts, which is manufacturing according to the ATF. He should have just shut up instead of telling averyone on AR15.com what was going on. That was probably admissable as evidence as well. I don't disagree that if the gov't has it out for you that they're going to get you, but if you're going to make it easy for them whether out of stupidity or just plain ignorance...

I've heard of a lot of guys who use it and have a lot of fun with it in small batches. If you mix up 100lbs of the stuff at once and you only live 3 miles from a nuclear power plant with a large federal security detail, you are a complete moron. It's like everything else here, the few idiots F it up for everyone else. :roll:

I ordered a chromed bolt and bolt carrier from Model 1 during the 'madness' because I needed one for an upper I purchased. I purchased another one in a private sale when I realized it might be a while. I think it was about 4+ weeks when I finally got it and i got them both within days of each other. Comparing the 2 BC's side by side was an eye opener. The one I bought privately (colt maybe?) was completely smooth where as the Model one carrier still had the machine marks on it and it was clearly just machined and then chromed, no polishing. From what I've heard from others they work fine but are on the low end of quality and I can see why. Clearly your savings is from the final finishing steps that they apparently skip. I haven't had a chance to use this carrier from Model 1 yet so I can't tell you how well it will actually perform yet. Lunker, I've found that if you crush the very tips of the pins in the vice just a bit, (where the 2 sides just come together, not completely crush it) the pins are easier to start without altering the lower.

I've built 2 lowers with DPMS LPK's. I've only had a chance to shoot the one but they both went together pretty smoothly and seem to function fine I know some people swear by the ones from Rock River Arms though.

Thanks GreyDaddy, I appreciate the feedback. You seem to feel pretty strongly about the whole thing, any particular reasons why, or just personal preference? Anyone else want to weigh in? Thanks again.

What is everyone's opinion of Hammer Forged Barrels? Are they worth the premium that people seem to ask for them? I didn't want to hijack the BCM sale thread but I was looking and it looks like they're asking a premium for hammer forged barrels (as are other makers). I can understand the cost being higher for the added equipment investment, but I'm curious if anyone thinks they are actually worth the added expense? Thanks, Jeff

I just got home to find mine in the mail today! I took the class on a Sunday in mid December I believe. It was a great class and I can't wait to visit my in-laws in PA (which is saying something ). Thanks again guys!

People are nuts, if she won't let her kid out because the home 'might have' a gun, it's really the kid who loses out on any social interaction. I must say I've learned to not even mention that I own firearms, unless its to someone I have a good idea also owns firearms or at least has an open mind. I've had colleagues I've known for years take a step back from me when they learn that I own firearms as if I'm going to start shooting at any moment. :roll:

I drive past there everyday and did notice that it looks pretty empty. I wouldn't put too much stock in the sign though, I saw a new one go up and saw it smashed to bits by an out of control car not even a week later. I have heard good things about the work but never used him personally. You should probably call.

Honestly Celraysoda I've been considering this problem for a while (I hve several sten kits). If you just built it in PA and inscribed info on it and brought it over the border I think you would be in a bind between NJ calling you an illegal manufacturer or doing an illegal FTF in PA which would be a federal crime. Technically if you had an uncle or someone from out of state you could engrave their info and then transfer it through an FFL. Finding an FFL to perform the transfer might be a problem and your Uncle would need to send a copy of his Drivers license to the FFL. So I think it's possible I have yet to find someone who sells 100% sten receivers (or even an 80% receiver that has been engraved. I've built AK's on Nodak receivers and I'm sure building a sten wouldn't be a big deal (ALthough I understand they can require some tweaking) but I'm not sure how to accomplish it legally. If you find an uncle that could mail me a stupid sten tube and an FFL to receive it though let me know. :roll: I've actually considered getting a manufacturing license just to resell these tubes here in NJ. There are several semi auto sten companies including semiautosten.com and indianapolis ordanance that make semi parts and 80% tubes.

No it's perfectly legal to build and sell a firearm (in the rest of the free states) as long as it's not a business. So if someone builds a gun, they can sell it as long as everything required by the ATF is inscribed on it, and it's inscribed to ATF specifications. I have seen issues where FFL's won't touch homebuilt firearms though. The problem comes into play if you build say an AK from a flat and decide to sell it later vs. building 5 or 10 or 100 AK's and selling them. Like all things the line between someone who does it to make a profit vs someone who's doing it for fun and then selling them off to fund other projects is sort of an ATF gray area. Where is the line drawn? Selling one gun a year? 5, 100? The same thing goes for buying and selling firearms in general. When are you just thinning down your collection vs. acting as an illegal dealer? There is a case now where a guy was assembling AR15's out of suppllied parts for $50. Now he's on trial as an illegal manufacturer. Even though he wasn't doing it often and he was building it on customer supplied 100% lower receivers, he was doing it for a profit. It's all about intent.

Post 1941 only? I guess that makes sense why I didn't see the mounting points on mine, it was made in 1938. I thought something was wrong but I guess not. Thanks for the info. Apex has the original hoods and screws as well.

From what I read most of the verses seem to refer to "shining a light on..." something. Seems apropo for an optics company. Anyone ever go to In-and-Out burger? I know they're big in CA and I've been to a few. If you ever get a chance check the bottom of the cup, they also reference bible verses. I'm sure most owners are probably digging out their optics because they never noticed before. I have a feeling that the people who will stop using their optics are going to be the same ones that don't use cash because it has "in god we trust " on it. ie almost nobody, but I've been wrong before.

As far as weapons lights, I just read that some guy shot and killed his pregnant wife in the middle of the night not long ago. Swore that she was sleeping next to him at the time and since she was in bed it had to be an intruder. Not to say there isn't the possibility of somethiong shady but... On another note, I have 2 small children, the eldest still not quite 4. Last year My wife and I were both woken up at about 2:30am by one of the kids and half out of our mind since we were just awoken. She was in the hallway upstairs and I had just walked back into our room, 10 ft away. Suddenly the outside door slams against the house and she screams 'someone's breaking in'. (She can see the front door from the top of the stairs). * I run to unlock my pistol case, draw my pistol and rack the slide. I can feel (but not see) that for whatever reason the slide didn't slam all the way forward. I rack the slide again, the stuck round flys across the room and I can feel that the slide has slammed forward and the gun is cocked. From the asterix above to this point is no more than 30-40 seconds, though it felt like an eternity. I draw a bead on the front door as my wife starts to gather up the kids and phone in the other room. Not a sound... Eventually I proceed downstairs cautiously and start checking the house. Long story short, it was a windy night and the door must not have been properly latched. Why it took until 2:30am for it to come loose and blow open I have no idea. One thing I can assure you is that I was unable to sleep for about 2 hours after because of the adrenaline. I'm just glad I didn't put a round through the front door by mistake since I was so amped up. (The upside is that my wife while still no fan of firearms has far less of an issue with having them in the house now). The moral of the story is that unless you kick down doors for a living, when something like that happens it changes your view of things and how you would react vs. how you think you will react. Just something to Ponder...

Just to clarify, is there any requirement for any type of firearms certification or class before hand? I've been handling firearms for years but I've never taken a class of any kind, (though I have been meaning to lately). Or do I just need to demonstrate that I'm responsible? I just hate to show up and be out of luck. Thanks in advance.

That was my understanding as well. If you had a home based 01 license from back when it was legal than you can keep it (for now at least), but no new ones are being issued. I was curious if there was any commercial space some like minded tinkerers could borrow/lease from someone? We could collaborate on some projects and perhaps sell a few impossible to get items here in NJ, particularly to the "home build even though we can't technically home build" crowd. I don't forsee competing with Nodak but I wouldn't mind building a sten or 3, cut down odd surplus mage to NJ legal size etc. My Father in law owned a machine shop years ago but like most manufacturing in this state, he was getting older and getting less work so sold all of his equipment and space a few years back. If I knew then what I know now....

I wonder if it would be worth it to do as some sort of incorporated group? It would allow several like minded people to pool their time and resources. I personally would like to see some receivers that can't be purchased and must be made like the sten. Seriously how much effort is there in milling a few slots into a tube and calling it a receiver? At least I can buy an ak or AR receiver. Maybe a few NJ legal Bren guns? Just saying.