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Ok, did some looking for you DD fiends. The closest (and most accessible) Dunkin Donuts I could find is the one in Wrightstown, NJ: 507 E. Main St / Wrightstown, NJ 08562 / 609-723-3238 Here's a rough map where I noted the location of DD and Range 14: I also highlighted the route between the two locations (with good ole red-brown ). For reference, from Cookstown (where Cookstown-Browns Mill Rd starts on the map) to Range 14 is 10-15 minutes. I've never driven into Wrightstown, so, I can't really give firsthand accounts of the area (in terms of traffic lights, traffic volume, etc). For directions, I'm assuming from NJTP would be the quickest. You can Google directions from your place to the DD, and from there take: a. E. Main St/Wrightstown Cookstown Rd east until you reach the intersection for Cookstown Browns Mill Rd. b. Take a right onto Cookstown Browns Mill Rd, and follow it south until you see a sign on your LEFT that says something along the lines of "Range 14, Ft Dix Rod and Gun Club." Its an awkward left turn-- a bit sharp. Also, as you're driving on this road, there are a bunch of signs for other military ranges and bivouc areas... just keep going until you see the sign for Range 14 on the LEFT. c. Follow this road through an intersection and gated area. Keep following the road down as it curves, you'll see trap/skeet on your left, but the admin office (to include bathrooms)/main parking lot/pistol & rifle range are at the end. There is no solid address, and using coords doesn't really work too well. As for fees, $3 an hour for guests the same as members. $3 per round of trap/skeet as well. Targets they sell are additional (not sure about the price). ETA: For those who don't need their DD fix, you can Google directions to 1 Cookstown Browns Mill Rd / Cookstown, NJ 08511, and follow directions from b above.

The link Shane posted above was taken from an incident in the Philippines I believe with an M16. The point is made though considering that the Filipino military is limited in what ammunition they can use as well (I want to say the popular one is 62g SS109)-- while the civilian market has access to a bevy of different 5.56/.223 ammunition types.

Its smart, and its nothing really new. I know of companies that have had these types of signs or training (like fire drills) dating back to the '70s, some as early as the '50s. My last job had emergency CLS kits, enough cots and MREs to last for an undefined amount of time, as well as a backup generator that had an undefined running time-- not to mention a call and challenge system, and other undefined systems Still, I recommend a BOB/GOOD for everyone... FT/PT, students, retirees, etc. Wojo can probably break it down better then I can with statistics, but its always good to be prepared.

This is pretty exciting stuff-- and it really did take off in the time I was away doing things today. I don't know how available I am these days with school and whatnot, but I'll definitely try and make the time to get up there to help out. As for the cold-- definitely. It'll be a good [somewhat] extreme test of equipment, plus I prefer the cold over the hot any day.

This is pretty interesting, I'll definitely have to follow this pistol now. I'm one of those types that suffer from the lack of hand, and haven't been able to really appreciate any of the Sigs I've shot for that exact reason. The aggressive grips look good, and the fact that it seems like its 15rd factory is a huge plus.

Aye, it really is a beautiful setup you have there.

Awesome, thanks.

The possible rain for Sunday, as of this morning, doesn't seem like it should be an issue. Most forecasts are saying "possible" precipitation, and for no more then an hour for the day. The conflicting part of the reports is that it says its possible in the evening, but lists it in the morning in the hourly breakdown :? . Regardless, should be fine-- plus, a little rain should make it a bit easier for digging holes/hammering stakes into the sandy ground out there (for target stands) Ray-- if I'm one of those 'local AR lovers,' I'll be glad to lend a hand ( ). If someone has a spotting scope/higher powered scope, that will make it easier (instead of having to wait for the cease-fires).

They have post hole diggers, I also keep a small shovel as a part of my range bag for this exact purpose. If it rains... well, I've been there when it started misting up a bit, but it didn't do anything to shut the range down. If its an absolute down pour, I don't know-- haven't experienced that yet. The lanes themselves do have a bit of cover-- as apparent in some photos, but hardly enough that I would call it "cover." I guess we'll wait to see what the forecast is like leading up to the day, and, if need be, the lines of communication will kept as open as possible to let people know whats going on with the range at least if there is a bit o' bad weather.

And a happy disposition! :shock: Ha. They do sell targets/target stands (they're targets on target stands) for cheap there as well. Rain is in the forecast for Sunday with temps in the mid-70's... I would still recommend bringing some water or other beverages. If you need a mat for shooting prone, then sure. As for my attendance, most likely at this point. A chance to meet Pete and Ray, plus the rest of the crew? How can I not make time in my day to do that? Plus, I can get those DVDs back to you, Pete :shifty: I'll give a more definite answer within the next day or two.

My friend worked an internship where he crossed paths with those guys, and he said they were a bunch of cowboys.

Probably the backstop is not suited for higher powered rifles

Jeez, it really is a shame that the law abiding citizen will get the harshest of the punishment (well, probably be the only one punished while the low life's continue their ways). I do agree with SpecialK that brandishing was probably not the smartest idea, and could have easily escalated the situation in different ways. Not to mention, his house is now targeted because he retaliated, and the gang bangers KNOW the household most likely has guns (if the guy even gets to keep what he has after the law is done with him). I had a situation a few months ago where I felt like my house (or my neighbors) might be targeted (I posted about it actually, where there were shady people "selling" stuff door to door at 8-9PMish). The next day, I called my buddy up, and asked if he would stay over and keep watch with me just in case. Fortunately there were no incidents of any kind, but I was pretty on edge (talk about flashing to the past, doing static guard :? ). My point being, even though I took preparations to possibly respond to a dire situation, I have no clue how I would react with multiple (let alone 30) hostiles.

Every place in the area that sells ammunition sells .223 and/or 5.56. As for cleaning, a bore snake is a start. A proper cleaning kit, like Otis', wouldn't hurt either. I personally also use q-tips along with patches-- and also recommend having a brush (like the tooth brush looking thing). Magazines? Proper iron sights? A sling?

I'm not an expert on the schematics and mechanics of ARs at all. So, I'll only speak from my experience of using them. It does seem like a heavier buffer (H-H3) would do the same as the CWS. Maybe the CWS has more versatility as it could be dropped in with a rifle-length system if need be? (Whereas the heavier buffers only apply to carbine length systems.) I could definitely see there being an added benefit for AR10 and SR25's though. Personally, I run a lot of lower powered ammunition in my carbine (55gr). If I ran M855 daily, I would have invested in an H or H2 buffer already. If I was running 69+, I would definitely be running a heavier buffer. Gosh, I really hope someone better versed then me speaks up

It ain't the arrow... Ha, again to note what Ken has said-- regardless of what you choose, train hard if this is going to be a firearm used for HD. Not to be a broken record, but just having a firearm for HD purposes doesn't mean you're proficient with it. And the mentality that pointing a shotgun towards a possible threat and pulling the trigger will automatically equal a non-threat is something I, and many others, do not agree with. I don't know if you live with others (whether its a significant other, children, or both, etc), but for their sake and health-- train hard. Also understand its not just marksmanship, but the mental aspect of the responsibility of owning a firearm used for HD/self-defense purposes. A good read for that would be "On Killing" by LTC (ret.) Grossman, or talking to guys who have been in those types of 'life or die' situations (military, LEO, civilians who were unfortunately in one and survived, etc). To go hand-in-hand with that, since this is an HD gun, understand what your reaction to a possible situation would be... where would you take refuge; how would you access first responder services; if you need to clear a room or two (to escape or get loved ones out of harm's way), then whats that procedure; etc. Its a lot to think about, and while I agree that it is our right as US citizens to own a firearm for whatever purpose we choose (that are legal)-- if you do choose it for HD/SD purposes, I believe strongly that you must take in account the responsibility and apply it. Good luck.

The age-old question that spans any types of firearms of all types of calibers I agree with what Ken has said. Don't let anybody else tell you what is good for you in whatever situation. Assess your needs; whether that's the dimensions of your house (dictate handling of the firearm around the home, through hallways, etc), your physical make up (dictates what you can handle comfortably), and use of the firearm itself (strictly for HD, or clays, etc). Once you assess those needs, then you can get a better idea of what you're looking for specifically in a shotgun-- and those questions become more pertinent. Which might be, for example, how do chokes work, what are overall lengths, should I go with a pistol grip only shottie, what kind of shot is best for HD, etc.

When in the hell did I tell anyone to shut up or bash a religion for that matter? I'm in the same boat as people who don't care for the religion system regardless of what they wear around their neck. Just because I don't necessarily believe in what you believe or note indiscretions (without an agenda), doesn't mean I hate whatever faith you are from. Don't do that-- its the same type of sh-t that politicians do, and its just mindless to broad stroke people like that. People can preach where ever they want, whatever they want. They can do it in a building, on a street corner, or in a school-- I don't really care. But, in turn, don't be offended when I say I don't give two sh-ts and point out any indiscretions that the religion might have caused directly/indirectly. I've never been malicious in any of my posts, nor have I ever said that a religion shouldn't preach what they believe. The "stay off my lawn" statement directly infers my porch-- my home-- my domain-- castle, etc... aka, my intimate setting. As for pointing out indiscretions, I'll do the same for any religion, any government, any program or system regardless. Why? Because while I do have my strong virtues and morals of my own precedent that I have created, they are not tied blindly so that I am led down some crappy path that many systems and programs have in the past. I stay true to those virtues, and through questioning the issue from any possible angle, true transparency is gained-- and the virtues and ways of life I live by are kept, for the most part, "black and white." Your faith is not in the wrong-- never said that. So, don't assume something based on just your perception of the issue.

Yes

Christianity has tried to do the same thing. Look at the Pacific Islands and South America. I'm no fan of Islam, and I don't like how they carry themselves. But religion is a touchy subject. Yeah, those EVIL Christians spreading help, hope and giving of their OWN time and resources....Christians the main group that fought and died for slaves and give without expecting anything in return. Yeah, it is so evil. I guess it is more acceptable to blow people up, force them to practice and accept your beliefs, stone women and call people racist bigots if they disagree with you? Muslims the largest group of slave traders and 90% of their slaves died in the end. Are you saying the two religions and beliefs are similar? Oh, lets forget about the "noble savages," and the great treatment they received on behalf of a certain religion. Bah, I don't even care for this argument as its pointless and stupid. Religion is spiritual and inspiring for some; religion is a system of control for others (or its just a double edged sword regardless). Still, its a person's choice-- and saying/defending one's religion adamantly (to religious fervor-- not defending their religion [which is justifiable], different things), to me, is the same as pushing it on someone. A person should accept their belief(s), and good for them. Just stay off my lawn, and let me figure it out for myself.

.22 and 5.56/.223 hardly kick-- no loss in control really. There are a lot of people that get a pistol design like this though with plans to SBR it down the road (where allowed).

IIRC pistols can have threaded barrels in NJ. As for the SIG .22 pistol, I believe it'd be GTG because it falls under the max. weight. Just don't put a VFG on it...

Depending if the VA takes some or all of my money, I might be in for this. ETA: I'm a member and can guest people if need be.

Like I initially posted, if you guys want to argue about guns, take it to the other thread.