Joelk

The most common problem i have had with the 17T is that it does not work well with contact shots, and it gives a malfunction like the one pictured below. Tap, Rack, Reassess will generally get it to fire (and you better be able to do it one handed while rolling around on the ground fighting).

I am afraid to ask what the first two reasons are I have told Chris he can use it if he wants. If you or Tactical Monkey ever want to try it out just let me know and we will get together. However, if you really want to take ECQC, I am taking it with Southnarc in Culpeper Virginia, November 11-13, if any of the NJ guys would like to join me.

That just makes you try harder to not get shot! There aren't that many out there, so prices vary quite a bit. They generaly cost about the same as a standard 17 though.

Someone in the local training community recently said that regular guys can not own Sims/Simunition guns. While Simunition will not sell guns or Sims ammo to regular guys, there is nothing prohibiting ownership. The guns and ammo are out there if you look hard enough. The Glock 17T has to be transfered on a pistol permit just like a normal gun, and you are stuck with 10 round mags in NJ. With that being said here is a picture of my Glock 17T and some Sims rounds for the doubters.

Here is a hard to read PDF of 2005 letter page 1 page 2, and the text in a readable format: Edited to add: HERE is another letter. For more ATF letters see Google.

For what it is worth the ATF considers thumbhole stocks to be pistol grips.

MidwestPX, I can understand why you are excited, and you make a good product, however watching the video is torture. May I also just add that the guy who made the video seems like a typical Hauges customer

Would you be willing to share how the m16 platform let you down? I always like to hear first hand accounts, and find them much more valuable than the "I heard from a friend who has a buddy in the army" kind of stories.

Nice, and I like that you pinned the stock at a more useful length!

In case you missed it this class is being held at Buckeye Gun Club, which is a range

On the older models TLR-1 you can tell what LED it has by the serial #. If it ends in C4 it has the brighter Cree LED, if not the previous 80 lumen LED.

They are open again, but it is still unclear if they are honoring current memberships. From people who have been back, I have heard yes, but I have also heard they will only honor your current membership if you pay extra to renew with the new owners/Skip.

Happy to have you here, from a guy who spends most of his time in NJ, but also a lot of time in St. Mary's county, MD.

Yes, it used to be Eagle Eye, which was a great place with reasonable prices and good staff. I was a member there for years. However as soon as it became Hagues things changed. They lost me right away with the insane prices, for both product and range time, and the shitty attitudes. It does not look like anything has changed

Pretty much the same. Good luck with the Sporty.

Hi Chet and Dawn, nice to see you over here at NJGF, and I hope all is going well with you.

Hey Cameron, welcome to NJGF.

Well I will tell you a trick that may save you from the same problem in the future. When you go to install the detent, do it in a clear trash bag, or large ziplock, that way if the detent gets away it is caught by the bag before flying off to never never land.

If you don't mind waiting for the mail, IM me your address and I will mail you one today.

I have been having a good time with the FJ. Just did a small lift and a little bigger tires (33.5"). On Southnarc's discussion board Total Protection Interactive he is also listing ECQC in Culpeper VA November 11-13, and I think I am going to take it again then, as I like Culpeper, and it is only about a 4 hour drive for me.

Scott, I am going to +1 the suggestion for ECQC from Southnarc. About 40% live fire, 60% very physical force on force.

I stopped going there when the schizum occurred, and see no reason to go back if Oleg lost out.

I am curious to see where this goes as well.

I would strongly suggest taking a good FOF (force on force) class such as ECQC by SouthNarc (Shivworks), or from Chris Fry (MDTS). It will entirely change your outlook. It is one thing to theorize what you will do based on square range drills, and another to actually try to shoot a living moving opponent/opponents that is/are shooting back, trying to stab you, or trying to take your gun. You must move, and probably wont use your sights at all B)

I had posted that the other day, but I guess it got lost in the recent board problems