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Sounds good Shane.

Shane, I agree that the high cap law should be repealed. As I asked before, is anyone working to do so? In your example, as to the charge of possession if a high cap mag, each individual should be charged/sentenced the same for that crime. The individual robbing someone at gunpoint should also be charged the additional crimes he has committed, such as robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, etc. (and ideally he should have been shot dead by the armed victim, but from this thread it does not appear that NJ2AS is prioritizing CCW, please correct me if I am wrong). The same thing with the robbing Wawa, and stopping at Wawa example, they are entirely different actions, and should be treated differently, ie the robber should be charged with robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, etc. While the person who stops at Wawa should not be charged at all. I am not knocking the NJ2AS. All I am doing is responding to the question posted by NJ2AS as to why some have not joined yet. I may join at Wednesday's meeting, but I have to be convinced why I should give less to SAF, in order to give to NJ2AS. If NJ2AS convinces me that they are as effective, or more effective, than the SAF I will reallocate some of my gun rights organization spending their way.

No problem. I was not offended (I was hoping that the made it clear), but was just trying to give some honest feedback in all of my posts. I would love to see the NJ2AS grow and be successful. Like I said I still hope to make next weeks meeting. Don't feel too old, I remember the Muppets too.

That you are working with the SAF on the current suit against NJ is something I respect, appreciate, and give you credit for!

You're entitled to your opinion. But I would ask you what makes magazine capacity or hollow points more dangerous than say carrying a baseball bat? Possession of a firearm by a convicted felon or prohibited person should be automatic jail time, no pleading down, mandatory minimum sentence, etc - IMO. I don't think magazine capacity or hollow points are more dangerous than a bat. I think the mag capacity and holow point laws are BS and should be repealed. Is the NJ2AS working to do so? I just disagreed with the quoted part about the law making no distinction between criminals and honest citizens. The law should be enforced the same on everyone, regardless of who they are. As to possession by a felon/prohibited person, of course they should be jailed, as they broke to law regarding possession by a prohibited person. I also think NJ needs a 3 strike law, but that is beyond the scope of this discussion. I generally agree with everything else you wrote. I was just saying that CCW is my big issue. I understand that purchasing may be a bigger issue for others.

This is the response I get for honestly responding to you and Tom's questions/comments regarding why some have not yet joined the NJ2AS? Posts like that are not the best way to encourage membership I still hope to make the 8/17 meeting and check out your orginization.

Then why is he unwilling to transfer ARs when the NJSP has said they are legal? It seems to me like he is trying to impose his personal opinions as to what is "appropriate" upon the rest of us. I think we should use pro gun dealers like PK90.

As a long time gun owner I am less concerned with the "Operation Establish Compliance" plan, and quite frankly don't think that there should be any issue with "NJ law making no distinction between criminals and honest citizens when it comes to things like magazine capacity, hollow-points, possession, etc." The law should be the same for everyone, regardless if they are a law abiding citizen, a police officer, a criminal, or any combination thereof. I agree that the FID/PPP process is flawed, but I would love to hear your ideas without having to listen to episode 10 of the GFH commercial. Anthony and I have had a couple of disagreements regarding his advertisements/podcasts, and consequently I don't consider GFH radio an accurate news source. However, I must say that Anthony has been a stand up guy when I have disagreed with some of his statements, and I look forward to meeting him on the 17th. I guess that for me it all comes down to CCW, and I appreciate your assistance, but it seems to me that the 2nd Amendment Foundation is carrying the water in NJ, NY, MD, etc.

I am a member of several gun rights organizations. Unfortunately the only organization that I really like is the 2nd Amendment Foundation. On the other end of the spectrum is the NRA (I am still a member) which I often strongly disagree with. Consequently I am a little slower to join any new organizations until I get a better feel for them, as I want to prioritize my gun rights spending. So far the 2nd Amendment Foundation gets the vast majority of it. A friend and I are going to try to leave work early and make the 1.5 hour (probably longer with rush hour) drive to check out the NJ2AS at the August 17th meeting. To be completely honest the biggest draw for me is Rob Pincus, as having trained with him, I look forward to hearing what he has to say. I also don't think we have much chance of making things better in this state. I have absolutely no faith in our politicians, and I think the only way we will get anywhere is in the courts. Even there I think the only hope for success is at the federal level. Sorry to be so negative, but I wanted to give you my honest opinion.

I would never do business with any FFL who would refuses to sell AR type firearms. This man is not afraid of the law, because as to ARs, the NJ state police have made it very clear with their opinion letters what is OK. He is trying to impose his opinion of what guns people should and should not own upon the buyer. That makes him an anti in my book. He deserves to get the Zumbo treatment.

Nice job!

I made it from some expanded bullets that had been fired into water, a few unfired bullets, and craft store stems and leaves. My Mother had seen the expanded bullets and said they looked like little flowers, which gave me the idea.

I gave my Mom this bouquet for Mother's day a few years ago. She really liked it.

This is for when a shooting solution is not appropriate, such as: You are not justified in shooting the target (Like the case where officers were serving an arrest warrant and an unarmed grandparent got in the way saying "my babdy didn't do nuffin"). The rifle has malfunctioned/run out of ammo at extrememly close range. Or, your adversary has grabbed your rifle, and you are now struggling over the gun. In this case you can fire as soon as you are oriented if it is justified. In the actual carbine combatives block, Chris goes over a lot more than in a 4 minute video, including live fire at extremely close range, strikes and blocks with the carbine (using cool padded carbines so you can go pretty hard), the effects of slings in a gun grapple, etc.

As I know a bunch of you have trained with Chrs Fry of MDTS, I thought you might like to see the carbine combative video he just did for PDN (The Personal Defense Network).

The frame is different, and cannot accept a normal 17 slide, or locking block.

That was a good summary of the potential problems with Serpas.

Gabe Suarez has been pushing the Trijicon sights milled into a Glock slide. I am by no means endorsing him, but you may want to check out his website for some ideas and opinions.

I tried a Docter Optic on a Glock back in 2004, and it was super fast. I had the slide milled so it actually sits a little below flush. It has really come into it's own (in Maryland only) with a suppressor, as the suppressor blocks standard sights. It is a shame, but the place that milled the slide went out of business about 5 years ago, as they did a great job.

Sorry but that's a bs excuse..I've used serpas with both 1911's and with Glocks, and my finger goes into it's normal high-index (Just about in the ejection port) because that's where i've TRAINED to put it. Using equipment as an excuse for poor training doesnt work. I wont use a Serpa for anything other than Admin/match shooting because IMO they aren't reliable in field conditions, you can get crap in under the release that will lock the weapon in, or the spring could fail thereby releasing the weapon when it isnt supposed to. Some swear by them, and they are decent holsters, but i dont TRUST them. I kind of agree with both of you. I agree with KpdPipes, as I have seen Serpas lock up when they have gotten little rocks stuck in them. However I have also seen someone I know, who had been training with a Serpa for years, and has very good trigger discipline, put an airsoft pellet into his leg during the stress of a force on force drill involving movement, and return fire. To me there are just too many potential problems with the Serpa to make it a viable option.

I agree with bbk. In your house a handheld or weapon mounted white light, or even better both, is preferable. After trying both (PVS14 and various white lights) in close quarters situations, particularly where you know the layout as you do in your house, proper use of white light is far superior. When we go outside, and to longer distances, I think good night vision wins out.

Paul, you left out the option for multiple loaded guns (long guns and hand guns)

I paint the baseplates on my Glock 19 mags so when I am at a training class, and there are a bunch of Glock 19 mags on the ground, I can tell which are mine. Also my training mags get beat/worn out so I would not want to rely on them in a defensive scenario. Edited to add: I do leave my defensive guns loaded. As I don't have kids I even leave them out of the safe

I can't help you with the glow in the dark stuff, but I paint just the baseplates on the mags I use in training so I can tell which ones are mine. It works OK, but the paint eventually wears off after a few years of hard use. I would be hesitant to paint the mag bodies as it may cause issues with the mags no longer dropping free. Glock also sells orange baseplates, which may be another solution for you.

Maksim, If you feel this thread is instigating please feel free to lock/delete it. I just thought that in light of some of the previous discussions some people might find the article interesting, and generate some good discussion. I thought that the line "many combat engagements throughout history have been at close-in distance to face-to-face proximity, resulting in hand-to-hand fighting to some degree." was possibly the most pertinent to most civilian conflict as most robberies and/or assaults occur at those distances. How many people practice weapons access from a clinch, and the like? I must admit I am a but surprised at how it seems to have angered some people.