ronoverdrive

The only 2 carbines I know of that shoot larger pistol rounds (9mm & .40s&w) and are under the $700 mark are the Hi-Point & Keltec Sub2000. You'll hear a lot of folks to tell you to pass on either of them, but from what I've seen they're decent carbines for the price and I'm thinking about picking one of them up for myself.

Don't forget a LTCF is also needed for carrying in Philli and is the only city in PA that requires it.

So I'm an elitist now?? That's pretty funny. All I'm trying to do is save the youngin's from spending their hard earned money on a sub-standard 1911 that requires "tinkering" to make it work properly. Waste of time and money as far as I'm concerned. IMHO I would rather see them save up for a 1911 of quality that requires no 'tinkering" to make it work correctly. Again I'll say it, "Buy cheap, get cheap" Oh please ancient wise man, forgive the ignorance of this 'youngin' but I'll buy a new RIA or a cheap older used model 1911 in the $400 - $600 range over a brand new Kimber or Dan Wessin Custom because: 1) at current time I can't afford to drop $1000+ on a gun 2) I want to learn on an entry level 1911 so if something happens its not a $1000+ loss 3) I WANT to tinker. I enjoy taking something and making it better or building it from scratch personalizing it and giving it some character that reflects upon myself. Also here's food for thought, you don't buy a sub-9 second track car and expect it to be your daily driver too. Just because you don't like to tinker and have the money to shell out for a top quality brand name firearm doesn't mean everyone else is the same way. Honestly after learning what I can from the cheap 1911 I intend to save up money and build my own 1911... FROM SCRATCH!

Woodbridge 22lr = lots. Remington 223 = remington xlots, wolf x20 380 fed prem x2 38sp x9 9mm x5 Blazer 9mm x7 Winchester 40s&w x8 Whitebox 40s&w x10 44mag x12 Blazer 45acp xshitload (minimum 50 boxes @19.99 a box)

I think you meant to say "illegal". Is that right? I recall that NJ makes no distinction between concealed and open carry. Of course getting a permit to carry at all is a practical impossibility for the ordinary citizen. But if one has a carry permit, one could in theory carry openly? Yes I remember seeing something about this on OpenCarry.org. If you have the infamous NJ CCW you can open or conceal carry. But the only way you are getting a NJ carry permit is to either have a threat against your life (which you wouldn't be at a rally of any kind in that case), for your job (security guard or PI), or are a retired LEO. But the number of NJ CCW owners is literally a fraction of a percent with how hard it is to get it. Face it, NJ Laws are in place to prevent stuff like this from happening. Honestly I don't think anyone would understand a empty holster protest. Maybe if we walked around with supersoakers or other obvious waterguns in place of guns it might get a message across to someone, but doubtful. Yeah media control is another thing. If all 800k people showed up the news would probably only report it as 800, BUT this is 2009 not 1990 so technology is in our favor. Blogs, YouTube, Twitter, etc. are independent free press outlets on the uncontrollable Internet. The more information we put out the better because you can't silence every website or media outlet imaginable on the net. Once its on the net it never goes away.

Yeah okay you were transporting them for home use, but the audacity of your doing a burnout in front of the cops WITH NARCOTICS IN THE VEHICLE is worthy of a Lifetime Achievement Darwin Award. I think my brain devolved a little bit just reading that. You might as well have been firing pistols into the air and lobbing firecrackers at old ladies. The only way he would have earned a Darwin Award for that is if the cops shot him dead or at least blew his balls off. One of the requirements of the Darwin Award is you have to remove yourself from the gene pool either by death or loosing the ability to reproduce. But otherwise its a prime candidate for the Dumb@$$ Award.

Heh nice, you guys are really re-enforcing my decision to pick up one of the RIA 1911's. Now if only my FPID and handgun permit would come it i'd picked it up by now. :evil:

Oh btw, forgot to post this up but I got my confirmation on Monday and yesterday when I got back from work my membership card and window stickers came in the mail.

Actually I called the FIU at the state PD and they even called BS. The cat's face is priceless!

Ya know I need a tin foil hat now. I just realized something... if they're saying to me and possibly others there's a 3 month hold they may be trying to delay people till the OGAM law is officially in effect. Before you agree I need the hat let me explain what dawned on me. I applied in the first week of July (the 8th). They said it would take 3 months before they request the background check. That puts me sometime in October before they bother processing it. 3 months before OGAM is officially enforced. Thanks to the lawyers/judges they don't have to give decision within 30 days until they have all the paperwork from the state. So if they can delay it till somewhere mid to late October they have another 30 days added to my wait time. That puts me to mid to late November when I get my FPID. The later in November the better for them because if I request more handgun permits like I plan to I won't get them till sometime in mid to late December when money is the tightest due to the holiday season. Because of money being tight most people can't afford to purchase additional guns till the new year especially during this recession plopping any potential purchases after OGAM goes into effect. Now give me my shiny new tin foil hat!

Thinking about printing up a few of these and leaving them around various quickchecks. Almost all of them have public bulletin boards for this kind of stuff.

You're the man Caine! Just got off the phone with them and they said they never heard of such a thing. They asked what town I was in and everything. So I'll give it some time and see what happens.

+1

You know I understand that and I can sympathize, however, I don't feel that I am being treated fairly. Waiting I can deal with especially if they are just back logged or the officer in charge of processing it was on vacation. It would suck that I would have to wait longer, but I would just deal with it because those are honest and good reasons for delays. From the get go I've been accused of providing incorrect or false addresses for both my references and now I've been given an excuse that everyone agrees reeks of BS.

I only left one message though, figured they were out to lunch the other time so I didn't leave one. Its not like I left a bunch of messages filling up their inbox and I was considerate with the voicemail I did leave. The wait wouldn't be so bad if it didn't feel like I've been dicked around with this whole 6 weeks. First the reference issues and now this bs? My patience is wearing thin and I have the patience of a saint according to everyone I know (hell I don't even really get road rage).

That doesn't solve the problem, only band aids it. There's usually legal reasons why a company would do what Cabela's did and if they get millions of calls about it yes they will reconsider it, but there's no guarantee the legal department won't refute it themselves. Ultimately you got to step back and see the bigger picture to see the source of the issue. Its not Cabela's or any other retailers, its the Anti-Gun activists that currently run this state. Wrong. It is the retailer's attorneys who can't interpret NJ laws that is f****d up. What law has been changed to disallow shipments of primers? Why won't retailers ship ammo? The gun industry is shooting itself in the foot. NJ isn't a gun owner friendly state and the politicians here *cough*corzine*cough* are putting out stricter and stricter obscure gun laws. They're purposely made obscure to f*ck over gun owners in every which way. Just for being interested in owning a gun you're practically treated as a criminal by the state and even quite a few of the citizens. Do you honestly think with the reputation NJ has (which is getting worse) these retailers feel safe shipping gun related products to NJ? Fix our state's anti-gun mentality and all the retailers will feel NJ is safe enough to do business with. The correct route is never the easiest.

Nope, she said there's a 3 month hold on all inquiries that weren't top priority put in place by the Feds. I think I'm going to call the NRA rep tomorrow and see if they know anything about this. With all I've been through during this process I'm pretty much convinced they're purposely dicking around with my 2A rights.

That doesn't solve the problem, only band aids it. There's usually legal reasons why a company would do what Cabela's did and if they get millions of calls about it yes they will reconsider it, but there's no guarantee the legal department won't refute it themselves. Ultimately you got to step back and see the bigger picture to see the source of the issue. Its not Cabela's or any other retailers, its the Anti-Gun activists that currently run this state.

Sorry hate to say it but you won't get any support from me on the issue. We can't change company policy, we're not majority share holders. There's technically at least 40+ other states they can make their money off of. The problem isn't our retailers, its our state. But more importantly its the fact most of NJ (many gun owners included) are "sheeple" and are more willing to just sit there and b*tch & moan instead of actively doing something about it which is probably why the NRA has all but abandoned us. We're literally expecting a miracle that NJ citizens will smarten up and stand up for themselves when the reality is we're expecting some politician to do it for us which just gives us people like Corzine.

So i got a phone call this morning as I was getting ready for work, according to them the FBI put a 3 month freeze on ID checks so I wouldn't even get my paperwork looked at till sometime in October. Honestly this sounds like the common excuse I hear about with stations trying to push off the blame so you won't bother them about it because they have a lot of applicants and/or a shortage of staff. I'm not happy in the least.

I've always been of fan of this:

So work decided to add to my agitation today so I decided to get food and find my quiet place to think. Ended up visiting the Rahway Firearms Guild to look at their selection of guns and asked them since they are locals how long Woodbridge usually takes with the FID's. I was told 2 months. >=/ So now that I'm getting food in my stomach I decided that I'm going to give them another two weeks to get me my FID before I do anything considered drastic. Its just messed up how these things are handled.

Got any connections in the post office? I'm still waiting for 22 weeks for an item send from NJ. Unfortunately it is a unique item and can't be replaced. Permits are not a priority in any way. They are routinely done on a time available basis. all you can do is have patience because nothing else will speed it up. Sadly none that can find a missing package, sorry. Only thing i can say is don't ship packages via the USPS. And honestly the law does put a priority on permits, that priority is 30 days. Simple fact is, they're breaking/bending the law to their own benefit and we as a whole let them get away with it.

Heh lucky you. All the information I gave them was correct the first time I handed it to them as I triple checked everything before handing in the paperwork. It just really feels like I'm being dicked around with. This is the digital age. It doesn't take weeks or even months to pull up someone's information, hell cops do it in their squad car when they pull you over and check your ID on their laptops! Hell I could probably pull up more info by putting someone's name into Google and data mining their Myspace/Facebook pages. If this was 10 - 20 years ago I would agree without a doubt, but in this day and age just about every gov't agency is connected. If you manage to get a warrant for your arrest EVERY station knows about it the moment its processed. To me, the information wait is more of an excuse then anything else.

http://www.anjrpc.org They're supposedly the local NRA and have the contact info for the local NRA field rep in their contacts section.