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^^This If you can't shoot it there, what is the purpose? Seems to me it is cleary illegal.

That wasn't the OP's situation. He was at a WMA range and a person took the pistol out of his car and was displaying it. The handgun is prohibited at WMA ranges and within WMA's themselves. This isn't like the mythical "I stopped for lunch on the way home from the range and got arrested," the guy was displaying a handgun at a range that prohibits its use. His hunting license is at risk, his friends hunting licenses are at risk, thay all risk a fine - and that is the starting point. Anything that has a baseline of "you are in trouble with the law," is a bad place to be. Even if it isn't the NJ transportation law.

we are in agreement that it is trouble with the bottom limit being Fish and Wildlife regulations. The rest is up to interpretation and I believe in this case, foolhardy to dance with.

which results in loss of all hunting privledges and a fine...from a state agency enforcing state laws.

It also doesn't say "you may bring a handgun to a range that forbids them." Hey, go try your luck and debating skills. Sounds like a hot mess to me. Like I said, sounds like talking yourself into trouble.

The fact that handguns are specifically prohibited there is clearly posted. That makes it a little less clear cut.

Is that what you would tell/ask the officer?

http://www.state.nj..../fgw/ranges.htm IMHO, saying a WMA is a range and therefore exempted despite clear notification that Handguns can not be used there is a very clear illustration of what Kdpipes calls "talking yourself into trouble instead of out of it."

wow. You can just feel the media trying to cash in on a story they want to blow up. Kid walking around with a gun in a school gets shot by the poloce. We're done here right? Wrong "parents want to know why the excess of force." WTF? THe world has forgotten everything? Let's let the grieving parents lead the Monday morning quarterbacks. New$ theatre on the backs and lives of the innocent, no matter who or what.

Ammo limits aside, why paintball and airsoft falls short for training is that there is no penetration of concealment or cover. Even the military has trouble imparting to soldiers that that dude that popped his head through the door and then hid behind the sheet rock wall is an easy kill. For me, I always saw those guys that were constantly hiding behind leafy branches as the one that stood to lose the most if it got real. BUT, Teamwork, communication, angles of fires and fire lanes, experienceing all that tac stuff is very good. But if anyone really wants to get the intro to the biggest and least trained aspect of it, take your hearing protection off. No, I am not advocating it - don't actually do it more than once. But seriously, take your HD weapon to an indoor range, take off your hearing protection and fire one round. THAT should be every one's training start point. Again, not advocating it but, think of the police and the military - just sayin'

Wife saw me putting the Glock in the case with the tac light on it. She was like "wow, aren't you mister accessories." I said, "you need for me to see what I am shooting at. Lots of people accidentally shoot their wives in the dark." Luckily she gets my humor.

bringing some handloads for the Glock. might bring the Mossberg to pattern an 18" barrel. I'll be the guy with the Glock 19C with a light under the barrel. I'd love to get some use from chrono, if anyone is inclined to bring one.

uh oh, I sense a Clint Eastwood " get the hell off my lawn" lawn picture coming...

What is the need for the propane? I have nothing against airsoft or paintball (other than it seems in new jersey all the fields are afraid of full auto, which really pisses me off) because it can get people out and exercising and participating in team sports. However I always seem to hear about adults having to correct someone else's kids on proper gun handling. My sister in law has no problem with me taking her son to the range, but has an aversion to letting him point a gun at another person "in fun," as opposed to for training. I see her point. Just the right mind set for supervising a kid with a toy like the above, but she won't do it because she hasn't got the time. My last big paintball game I was really on edge for all the teenagers sweeping me with their FN and M-16 replicas in the setup areas without one of those muzzle glove thingys. The Sergeant in me was really about to show them it's ugly face.

I did read in the article quoted that it was a drill....

Maybe you just don't like to break the law?

Not the point Exaclty the point.

the M9 pistol has an AD and NG discharge rate more than double any other weapon in the US military.

Two things. Screeners are usually told to screen for what the person to be asked has already identified as a topic they wish to discuss. They come armed and prepared to answer certain things so they make sure the questions jibe. Who knows how this station does it, but that is how most do. Second, this guy has already said he is waiting for something to come to his desk. What else do you feel you need to hear? What else do you think he will say that he hasn't? Seems to me that there are other places that would be better to call than a guy that has already passed the buck to the rest of the state govt.

Lucky bastard

When I did my Auxiliary Police thing in Queens I remember coming across this mom and her son and the young boy was very nervous. He was hiding his toy gun and the mother said " he is afraid if you see his toy you will shoot him." ( I didn't have a gun) I said to the boy "may I please see your toy?" He gave it to me. I told him, "now I can see it I can tell it is a toy. Thanks for showing it to me." I don't remember what I said after that but I think I told the mom that it only made sense that if he is afraid that he will get shot that perhaps she shouldn't let him take it outside. But I might be embelishing. I just remember the kids face. Don't know why I thought to tell y'all that...

"order is restored," seems like it is misapplied here. It isn't a flood or some other natural disaster. It is criminals being criminals. I am not sure how any temprary measure will stop that unless it is a stopgap until they hire more cops. Furthmore, what bugs me about this is this mayor is thinking that the military can stop the violence. Is she expecting that the Guard will be shooting back? If so, is she fully prepared for that mess? The NG as a show of strength in a US city whithout loaded firearms is still just as silly as sending Marines into the Middle East without bullets, just without suicide bombers.

something about "Sarah grabbed her baby, a bottle, and a shotgun..." gets me right in the heart. A bottle?

Really? That's why? All that and fat middle aged white people to boot? Gosh i'm sorry.