bulpup

Correct. What I was commenting on was,in my own mind anyway, was juxtuposition of this incident happening in New Jersey instead of Florida. I wonder if organisations like the SAF challenge these kinds of laws too?

Walther PPK and a martini shaker http://www.waltherpistols.com/category/41-Walther_PPK_Handguns.aspx

Yea, feel good now. Lawsuit later.

Exactly! All of the discussion previous might only have merit if you gave your wife your handgun and she accidentally discharged it, shot herself, you the dog a neighbor a car etc. Use it when someone is threatening her life and I am pretty confident that my wife is not going to be charged for an illegal transfer.

The easiest thing to do is to take a person with a hugely liberal background out shooting. Because in the back of most people's minds is they at least want to try it once or see something for themselves. The first thing the see is the "Huh? WTF? I thought all those guys were morons, male and morbidly obese?" My NY advertising friends have all (well, both of them anyway) loved shooting clays. After that everything they hear will at leat be questioned. BTW though,a nut job in a crowd wouldn't have to be all that accurate.

There are some really long drawn out discusionins on some really simple concepts on these boards lately. I can tell you this after reading a few of these threads, I will NEVER, show my wife any of these discussions. She should never have to think about using one of my firearms where deadly force is applicable. Keep the eyes on the prize - your life. What else is there? I can live with a civil law suit brought about by my wife saving her own life using my handgun. I anything else hasn't got all that much of a point.

THat is a great post. People can take action with their legislators with information like that. Well done.

heartless bastard

there is some language in the NYS penal code that introduces retreat if you can during a buglary, but it quickly follows up with no duty to retreat. I do believe the no duty to retreat is somewhat new in NYS. As with most of the issues with the laws I read people having in New Jersey, I think a lot of it comes from people getting info from across the Hudson and apllying it here. I am sure that is a big part of some of it.

heinous

Random BS assignments were all over. On our fob they brought in an active duty postal unit to run our mail and do all that clean up stuff. My Reserve unit ran 7k JP-8 tankers and our own gun trucks for 7 months in mile long convoys. We only gave up the GT's when we gave them to a Guard unit that came in mid-tour so that our motor pool could keep up with the IED damage to the M915's. We finished out the deployment running that jet fuel all over the northern 2/3rd's of Iraq. F'in IED's all over the place. 58 CAB's But I will agree, some of those soldiers really scared the **** out of me as far as weapons. One guy shot and friend of his in the neck accidentally with a month to go.

One of my many hats. It has been a while since I had to burn the candle at both ends as the primary editor on anything, but I am still in the business. here is a look at the time period in which I decided I would rather make TV shows than the commercials. Sunshine Clean.... still makes me twitch I didn't work on that commercial but it was part of the campaign http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmZEGJnCGCE You wouldn't know it now, but those moving letters and words were "the greatest thing since sliced bread," back in the day.

One of our client at place I worked at had Ultra Gain laundry detergeant as a client. We spent months editing q commercial that was just a bunch of kids holding hands and dancing around a laundry pole on top of a hill in Ireland. Ate up most of my waking hours to make it. When it was finally done and on the air I was so embarassed i didn't even tell the my friends I worked on it. We referenced that scene a lot. Then there was the time I watched 8 hours of footage from a locked of camera filming a vat of chocolate that would be used in Hershey's kisses looking for the "best parts." ... Found them too. Stare long enough you can see all the nuances of a paddle mixing chocolate(sigh). Heehee, just a minor cry for sympathy for the poor dopes that have to make that crap.

ain't it true

low light handgun

I just wonder, why all these now? Unless it happens all the time and no one paid attention until the reciprocity bill.

I like the pig too

Having worked in advertising, I can tell you there are many I hate that you can't remember, but I helped make them. However, that damned Aflac commercial with the pidgeon and the rapping worms is ****. OTOH, I love this (included because some TV commercials are bloody hysterical)

I don't know about all that. could be that the kid did nothing and refused to stop watching TV enough to do something on the car. So the parent says "well, you leave it in the box, we go with an unopened box. I'm not going to do it for you." When I was a kid you couldn't keep me from at least opening the box and looking at the parts of something like that.

Parker, you certainly get around. Got any good spots for duck? I think I want to do a bit of that next year. Anyway. hd, the legal grounds, as we all know are hard to pin down and I am not a lawyer. But I did take the hunter class. So, since conservation officers are on record of checking your shotshells to see if you have the proper shot size for the game you are hunting and writing you up even if you had no intention of using the shot shell, I think it stands to reason that the same logic can be applied to the type of firearm you have on WMA land. So perhaps there is a gray area if you look at it in one way. But for my money, as I said before, any discussion with an LEO about "well it is a range isn't it?" - in this instance, at this location- means that the you are starting off with already having broken the law, as per the WMA range rules. That leaves you open to a HP rounds charge at least and then I am sure it would lead to a transport law charge. I don't really think it is worth coming up with any more what if scenarios than that since the issue for me is the fact that it was done on a WMA with actual laws in place for it's use. I don't think what we are discussing here is all that applicable elsewhere.

In your example I would be comfortable simply leaving them cased. In my mind there is a mental threshold, and your example falls on the "mythical get arrested eating lunch on the way home situation," in my mind. But the OP's situation is on the opposite side of that threshold IMHO. Because no pistols can be used at the range at all, the ranges have officers empowered to take legal action resulting in a fine or loss of state hunting privledges and they are hired to search for offenders on their land and, because as a licensed hunter using the range, you were taught where to check for the rules (which are laws) and ignorance of the law is no excuse. Nothing I have been saying should be construed as me believing your points and others are not correct in most situations, but I do believe the exact particulars of the OP's scenario are prehaps the one and only circumstance that should make people take pause.

You had said, "I would think the same applies for a WMA but who knows." WMA's have quite a bit of regulations, which are laws. And hunter's have to "know," them and in fact have to take a class and pass a test before they can use the facilities.

I was told at my hunter education course that you could possibly lose all hunting privledges for some number of years for having buckshot mixed in with your birdshot outside of deer season. While hunting of course on a WMA of course. I have no idea how often it happens though.

Home defense training with shotgun and pistol. Get my wife to pay attention to an HD and fire escape plan. Start some decent boxing training again.

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