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That't the exact point...many do not.. According to the "Letter of the law" that should not matter... right? My point is there is a balance between knowing your rights and trying to be a lawyer and practical advice to keep yourself out of trouble or a costly legal battle.

You invite your local LEO over for afternoon tea. You answer the front door with your Kimber Custom Shop .45 strapped to your chest. No questions asked..? Not likely. It wouldn't be a secondary concern.

Thanks for the replies and statutes. I understand and see your position. Maybe I'm looking at it from a practical standpoint being that the laws are somewhat convoluted and the really skirt the line of what is allowed and not allowed constitutionally. IMHO - the FID is like a little insurance policy. If you qualify to have one, then no problem... and it could make your life a lot easier in the case where an undereducated LEO decided to confiscate first and ask questions later. It's just a little paperwork...right? In today's environment, I don't want to have the need to argue with any official that I am in legal possession of a firearm, but in almost all cases, the presentation of an FID card will satisfy any LEO in terms of your legal qualification to have the gun. You may be correct to the letter of the law...Just my opinion.

I read somewhere that 80% of crimes that are thwarted by use of a hand gun, are done so simply by brandishing a weapon. I agree that if you draw, you should be ready to fire, but if you can avoid pulling the trigger, then it should be the last resort when there is no other option.

Why would you want to use yourself as bait and put your self in (additional) danger by drawing the BG's attention towards you just for the sake of being PC or within the nuance of a poorly written law. If you need to act like this in order to protect yourself or someone else which could include a loved one, then the law is not written correctly or in the context of common sense.

There is another similar thread going on here also. You may be correct, but the onus of proving how you came into possession of the firearm is on the owner. My understanding is that if you can not demonstrate that you came into possession legally out of state or through inheritance, then it will automatically be assumed that you came into possession of the gun illegally while in NJ.

But this is where it becomes convoluted... you need to be able to demonstrate how you came into possession of the firearm. If you can't, then you are automatically presumed guilty.... is my understanding. This is an area that always creates debate.. FID is for purchase not ownership/possession... understood. The problem is that the common perception however is that FID is a qualifying license to possess or own and this concept even permeates many Law enforcement agencies. So, an arrest is made and it takes an attorney and a few (several) thousand $$$ by the time you prove you were ligit.

I will try - but that's why I was asking. I'm not challenging you, I am just trying to learn and confirm. Internet - lots of erroneous info from well intentioned individuals. I will research again, my thoughts were from reading the laws years ago and many discussions. Happy Thanksgiving.

Can you post statute on that?

I believe at issue here is not the direct ownership or possession of he pistol, rather how, when, where you acquired it and more importantly how you brought it into the state. I believe that the transportation of a pistol purchased in another state into NJ is illegal. Hence, in order to be compliant, you would need to do a FFL to FFL transfer. In order to do that, you need a FPID and a PPP, which would effectively register the gun anyway.

I believe at issue here is not the direct ownership or possession of he pistol, rather how, when, where you acquired it and more importantly how you brought it into the state. I believe that the transportation of a pistol purchased in another state into NJ is illegal. Hence, in order to be compliant, you would need to do a FFL to FFL transfer. In order to do that, you need a FPID and a PPP, which would effectively register the gun anyway.

Using a gun for self defense is one thing and it is natural - but what about our ability or rights to use lethal force to stop a crime that is being committed against someone else? What if we saw an unarmed person being held at gun point, or a shooter in a public place? Issues like this are critical and need to be encompassed in any legislation that is considered. Typical NJ politics would be to allow CCW but then make it all but illegal to use the right.

Looks perfect to me..but if there's a little ding there, just shoot it out !

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I have heard this theory before and i do not think it is true and/or constitutional. Very true that NJ gun laws are intentionally written to be confusing, ambiguous and interpretive. I have not been able to find anything that supports the concept above. Please post if you have specific verbiage...

Well then technically (according to the letter of the law) isn't anyone who handles that firearm (regardless of how they came to be in possession of it) guilty of the same crime? For example, the baggage handlers? How about the airline itself? I mean, obviously they knew what was in the suitcase and handed it over to the passenger. They are enablers and an accessory. Wait a minute... if the Airline gave this guy a suitcase with a gun in it in NJ.. isn't that an illegal transfer???

Correct response...

What's so bad about having a store manager carry your purchases through the store for you like a Sherpa? I usually like making a stop on the way out to try on a pair of pants or something. Makes me feel like I have a body guard outside of the dressing room.

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If you're only shooting at 200 - use a quarter

Rifle is different than pistol because you are often dealing with much higher chamber pressure. But .223 should be OK. BE CAREFUL with range brass on .223. A lot of guys shoot Foreign Military Surplus. Not only do you have the Crimped primer to worry about, Check to make sure it is not Berdan primed otherwise you will be buying a new decapping pin!

For something like 9mm, almost indefinitely. 9mm doesn't generate a tremendous amount of chamber pressure (relative to a magnum load). For example, I have .357 magnum brass that I have reloaded probably 30 times. .45's that I've reloaded probably 70 times and there are no stress signs in site. Basically you can use the brass until you begin to see a crack at the neck. A quick inspection after cleaning, and you can weed out the few bad ones. Remember, the brass case only acts as a gasket in the chamber. The brass only expands to as much as the size of the chamber. So it's only a few thousandths.

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The savings in reloading is by re-using your brass. It basically takes that cost out of the equation. You may need to buy brass in the beginning, but after you accumulate (a few hundred rounds), you keep re-using it. Hence.. RE-load. You typically are not buying new brass every time you load.