mcbethr

Marry a girl from Cherry Hill and you'll never have to worry about committing a crime of passion...

This image will give you some idea of the costs involved. Keep in mind this is in 2010 dollars. Basically under some scenarios you don't start making money until 5 years out. The AIS system was the cheapest, but like I said , you had to install it yourself. This model also factored in fixtures and initial building costs like refurbishing the bathrooms. Note, I always made it a point when planning to make sure that the women's bathrooms would be perfect. No wife will ever come back to a range if she is afraid to pee in the toilet.

The guy's email address is: [email protected] Maybe we can set him straight? Or hell, invite him shooting.

I got a few quotes for 13 backstops - 12 4" and 1 Handy capped 5'. Heating system, but no air conditioning and electric target returns. I was not figuring in the cost of the building, which I already owned. Just the shooting stalls, backstop, target return system and roof armor. AIS$229,000.00 TargetWorx $605,085.00 Action Target $480,000.00 Action Target was the best package, but I had to go with the cheaper range. I was going to go with AIS and just install the system myself over the weekend with day labor.

Here is the view from NJ.com http://www.nj.com/camden/index.ssf/2013/02/nj_safe_task_force_holds_first.html

Yes, but you are only allowed 5 joints in a lid...

I agree I agree, although a ban on handguns is patently illegal as per McDonald and Heller. The committee started zoning out as soon as people started preaching about 2A. It even happened to me after the first few sentences. When I said "I will not be scapegoated for the actions of a madman two states away," I saw the committee collectively zone out. When I told them that I had an specific idea to help solve out problems that's when they became engaged. If we go there with concrete actions that the committee can recommend then they will listen. If we go and lecture them about 2A issues, they won't.

I considered opening up a gun store and range about two years ago and did a lot of due diligence. I did the math and it's almost impossible to make money on selling guns, especially in NJ with our permitting process. Profit on a new gun is about 10%. Profit on a used gun is 100%. In free states, you have a certain churn in used guns. People buy a handgun, decide they don't like it, and trade it in for a new one. This basically never happens in New Jersey because the permitting process practically guarantees that you do lots or research on what you want to buy, because once you make that decision, you are stuck with that gun whether you like it or not. Used guns are what keeps the Mom and Pop stores alive. There is a rule in retail: you always double. If you see a shirt for $10, odds are it cost the store $5. When I contacted ammo distributors for my range, I was looking at $7.45 for a 50 round box of 9mm if I bought it in lots of 10,000. I could turn around and sell that for $20 at the range, offer my members a 20% discount and still make money. Gun ranges are like printing money, especially when it comes to rentals. Renting guns is pure profit. I calculated that I needed exactly 85 member visits and 30 non-member visits every week just to break even. I still have all of the spreadsheets and the math is still good. The only problem was that building the range was going to cost about $250,000. I couldn't build the range until the state police signed of on the site. I couldn't buy the site unless I had a loan from the bank... but I couldn't get a loan from the bank until they knew that Cherry Hill was going to approve my location... and on and on and on. I was looking at $18,848.09 per month in costs including everything from labor to uniform replacement. I wasn't going to break even for three years so I decided to walk.

Oh, and welcome to the forum.

Yeah, it needed to be said...

Yes, you have to sign your name on a list to speak. Get there early.

Thank you. We are salesmen. Our pitch has got to be better than their pitch.

I was going to point out that there are more gun owners in NJ than there are soldiers in all of the Armies of Europe (Russia exc I like this!

He didn't ask for anything. He stated who he was, that he lead a Christian anti-violence group and he rattled off statistics. That was pretty much it. It was more of a "do something" speech. The most powerful speakers were the people who posed a genuine solution. Quite honestly, these were the black and Hispanic people from Camden who were saying: "Guns aren't the problem, jobs are the problem. Mental health care is the problem" and so on. A few Pro 2A guys brought up carry, but they did it after pontificating about the Second Amendment for two minutes. You've lost them after 2 minutes. Get up there, state the problem, offer the solution and why it is good and sit the heck down.

There are no pro-gun people that I know of. I think they are all anti-gun or neutral. One person asked : "Is anyone on the board a gun owner or has fired a gun?" The chairman said : "We're not here to discuss that, we are here to take comments from the public." The guy said: "I'll take that as a no." And he was probably right.

*shrug* I mean it wasn't a disaster. I think it says something when speaker after speaker gets up and is pro 2A. The blacks and Hispanics were occasionally histrionic. One Muslim man actually gave a very powerful speech when he basically said that Camden is a garden, but when you look here all you see is weeds. He didn't call for more gun control. He called for more jobs and better schools. But I have to tell you, every time a pro 2A person got up there and opened up a scroll of demands, the panel just rolled their eyes. These people are not used to being lectured. They don't want to be lectured on the constitution. They are looking for concrete opinions on what might solve problems.

I just got back home from the NJ SAFE hearing in Camden. I got a chance to speak and did my little song and dance about our transportation laws. I noticed a couple of things: #1. There were cops out the wazoo there, including two State Troopers posted at ceremonial parade rest in front of the panel. More than one person mentioned the irony of the troopers being there to protect the panelists. Honestly, I think they were genuinely afraid of us gun owners. #2. There were about 100 people there. About 1/3rd were black and Hispanic Camden residents. I don't think a single resident asked for more gun laws. They asked for more jobs, better schools and mental health care. #3. There were legislators there. Senator Norcross was there along with Assemblywoman Lampitt. This is a good opportunity to actually meet with your legislators one on one. #4. Bryan Miller of Ceasefire was there. He was one of two foaming-at-the-mouth anti-gun guys there. Everybody else who spoke was either pro-gun or neutral. #5. Keep your remarks under 3 minutes in length. Don't expect to say a long speech. They will cut you off at 3 minutes and you will be asked to sum up. Practice your speech in front of people. Read it like you are talking to someone, not reading from a speech. #6. Please leave the hunter camo and cowboy hats at home. Dress like you are going to work, and not to the rodeo or WWE event. Whenever a pro 2A guy got up there wearing hunter camo or a cowboy hat the Star Ledger photographer went into overdrive. #7. You will be recorded by the news in both video and audio. Don't say anything that will make you look like James Yeager. #8. Don't be James Yeager. #9. Give reasonable short answers instead of pontificating about the second amendment. I spoke about one issue - transportation in the context of Hurricane Sandy and how it was illegal to remove my guns from my home and take them to my brother in law's house. Pick a simple subject such as collapsible stocks, and explain exactly why its bad and the remedy for it. #10. Get there early. You have to sign your name on a list to speak and that list is collected at the start of the event and you will not get a chance to put your name on it once it is collected. #11. Seriously. Don't be James Yeager up there. That's about it for now. Did anybody else on the board make it?

My brother actually said this. He said that you should be limited to 2 guns because you only have two hands. I think he's been watching too many John Woo movies.

Well, it could also be that it's the three easiest places to get too. Trains and buses service Camden and Newark. Brookdale College... not so much but if you live down the shore you probably have a car to get to the hearing. If they held a meeting in Sussex county, everybody would be complaining that "He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. " It's a hearing. I'll go, dip my toe, and report back. This is a hearing. People from Camden and Newark who don't own cars have a right to speak their mind as well.

I'll be there. Look for the best dressed guy in the room.

This may be a better way of putting it: Dear esteemed committee members , I am certainly for gun control. I was mugged at gun point twice. I refuse to be a victim ever again. I don't want guns in the hands of criminals, the mentally ill, and those who are a danger to the public. I am for mandatory and very harsh jail sentences for people who commit crimes with guns. However, in the says since that tragic day at Sandy hook, New Jersey gun owners have been demonized as the problem by the legislature of New Jersey. Almost four dozen new gun control laws have been introduced in the state legislature. One of those laws is the most onerous piece of legislation I've ever seen, a law that requires in home inspection and a mental health exam before a person can purchase a firearm. This made me thing that maybe mental health screening should be required. Mental health screening should be required for people who believe that criminals will only use restricted capacity magazines. Mental health screening should be required for people who think that we can legislate away the evil in our society. Mental health screening should be required for people who think that the people should be less well armed than criminals. Mental health screening should be required for people who think that a stock which adjusts so that my wife can safely fire the gun is a weapon of war. Mental health screening should be required for people who think that bad guys can be stopped with a single bullet. Mental health screening should be required for people who think that the other 42 states who allow their citizens to carry a small concealed handgun are somehow wrong and New Jersey must keep their citizens disarmed because we are special. And finally if you feel that our gun laws make any sense, you seek psychiatric help immediately, because not even some police officers understand the law. New Jersey 2C code has grown so convoluted that it needs to be thrown out entirely. Only in New Jersey can you get 7 years in prison for going to the bathroom on your way to the gun range, but only serve 5 years for murder. Thank you for your time.

Ok, my speech, if allowed to speak. Note that my goal was to target one big, specific problem that we have right now, not babble on about gun rights in general. If you want to meet up and say hello, I'll be the incredibly handsome man in the fantastic suit with two beautiful woman hanging off my arms. But there may be a few other Beretta owners there as well, so just look for the bald guy with glasses.

Also keep in mind that Russia is a country that still has conscription, although they are moving to a "Kontractniki" force. It's reasonable to say that almost every man in Russia has served in the Army and fired a gun so there is no doubt in my mind that they are more comfortable handling weapons.

I believe it's only the 92A1 with the curved trigger guard and recoil-reducing buffer that cannot accept the conversion kit. The 92FS, original M9 and M9A1 can accept the kit, but check Beretta's website to be sure. I'm at work and can't do that right now.

We can split it around Princeton where the Eagles fans become Giants fans. We can put the Jets fans in the DMZ between the north and south.