Shane45

Define what you want it to be capable of before you spend a thin dime!

Maks, its usually 1 course of fire, wash, rinse, repeat. To clarify the mag/round count, I believe what the OP meant was 10 rounds DEVIDED into two mags. In other words 5 rounds in each mag with a mandatory reload on the stage. This is a very good match to get introduced into multi gun competition. ...and the new 45 Lunker!

I have wrestled with my MS2 and in the end I dont think I really like it that much Part of that is the horkin fiber chunk size of the one hook/clip and the stupid small clip point on both my scars which means I can only run in single point mode which Im not really a fan of. There is a new sling player in town. I think its called the Husky. Im going to give it a try with HK style hooks.

Iron, not tracking your response to my post. ASAP's are for single and 2 point slings. Not really what I would run on a precision rifle setup (one I would have a PRS on). I usually run a TIS quick cuff sling for that application. As Dan noted and I alluded to, they are different rifles for different roles.

fwiw I own an 870, a mossy 500 and an FN TPS. But id REALLY like to have a Benelli m1014

Well they fixed my biggest objection which was the trigger issue. Perhaps this is the Kel Tec Id actually own

I rifle that would use an ASAP is kind of a different role than a rifle that would use a PRS....

Farther thn anywhere you can shoot in NJ...

CS you need to define what you are trying to achieve at what distance. Bug holes on a square range? Minute of man on an action range? Farthest/Closest engagement? Budget?

Just for clarification, Im not nor did I mean to imply they are not capable of performing their task especially in limited use scenarios. But keep in mind that the mil/le versions dont use plastic or mim. My point is that better parts are an insurance policy. Luck favors the prepared. And if you train with what you run, the better parts pay dividens here because the equipment holds up better. And so thats why my preferances run in the order they do. So when the SHTF you two can walk the perimiter with your shotguns and finish off the ones I winged with my rifle

And RAY RAY, we had that conversation on why dual wielding pump shotguns only works for the first shot!!!

Hehe Axe I understand what you are saying. I just tend to use extreme examples because it makes it easier to visualise my point. How about the example of HK SL8's. They have a BAD habbit of the lowers cracking. And hey, I dont think you have to be an operator to use bug spray Now me personally, Im not even fighting crack heads. BUT id hate to have the day come when I do have to protect my family and I fail because of saving 3 bucks on a part. Thats not to say there isnt a point of diminished returns. And in fact if you look at my list I think I rated the Mossy 590 rather favorably. But it is interesting to me that the trigger housing on a 500 is plastic and I believe the one on a 590A1 is metal Hell my housing on my TPS is plastic. I broke it day 1! This is a $700 shotgun! The fact is how I broke it, it would NOT have broken if it was metal. Understand that for me its about the application of the material, not hating on what the naterial is. I dont use titanium firing pins either! In my opinion even though Ti is great, that is a bad application of that material.

Hey does rifles I got back count? Got my XCR back this sunday

Ray Ray your retard is showing! Your implying the guy with 2 SCARS and a PS90 has a thing against plastic? However, I do believe you are lacking a bit of experience where exactly polymer can be a problem. Heres a few questions for you. Why is the upper on the SCAR metal? Related question, why shouldnt you lay down a G36 after sustained full auto fire? What happened when Deet based products used by a certain group operating in the deep jungle came into contact with polymer stocks? I know, these things possibly couldnt happen because everything is tested right? Guess who snapped the polymer trigger housing on DAY 1 with their FN TPS? OK lets talk about why NO ONE makes a mim crank shaft. In my experience mim parts have a higher tendancy to go SNAP. But not all. There are SOME good mim parts. But Im notinterested in saving 3 dollars to chase them down. Ray if you like cheap, then by all means. But I will always speak from experience on these topics. It is what it is and that is not bashing. You can keep your "cahnge" because that change is driven by a low use, disposable mindset. Ill keep my Snap On tools, tool steel parts, hand made machinery, old world craftsmanship. There is a reason I passed up every modern made in taiwan milling machine and lathe and bought a 1942 logan lathe and a 1957 Clausing mill. Why? Because my machines, although old, run circles around anything new and will still hold their accuracy long after the "disposable" machines are in the scrap yard.

FWIW, Im hyper sensitive to NJ law as I have a lot to lose, but I ran a PRS. As I said earlier, I think it will be impossible to prove it as collapsible without a collapsible reciever extension. But hey, as Bob points out, this is NJ!!!

Its because of guys like you im going to need another safe!!! Nice pics

...or its other set of clothes, the FN TPS

To hell with you guys IM counting my optics!!! I have made 3 purchases so far this year. 2 optics and 1 rifle. Both optics where considerably more expensive than the rifle!!! 1) PVS14 2) Premier Heritage 5x25x56 3) A 17s

Are you asking me why I prefer my old 870 to new? Its not subjective at all. My old 870 is ALL metal compared to a new 870. There are no mim parts in it. A new 870 express vs an 870 police is the same difference. An 870 police is all metal and doesnt use mim parts. The only subjective part of the equation is prefference in operation. I prefer the safety location of the mossy as well as the loading chute. So I guess the salient point is to understand that the order I place these shotguns has strong ties to their construction. This directly relates to their reliability and durability with an eye on thier operation for my own personal preferences.

"The 500 is 2nd rate compared to the 870" That significantly depends on the 870 model.... I prefer my 25yr old 870 to a new one. I prefer the mossy 500 over a new 870 express. I prefer a 870 police over a 500. I might take a 590A1 over the police. The FN TPS would be a GREAT shotgun if it didnt have a plastic trigger housing.

Hey brother, just calling it as I see it. However, what I can add is that since my initial foray into c products was so bad, Ive never looked at them again so if there are different lines of cprod mags, its possible I have no experience with other lines.

Jon, thanks for the info!!!

Usually recoil is less in a lighter hypervelocity round. I dont think they are breaking any ground. I know this has been tried before, the reults were less than game changing.....

Congrats Brother!

Im game for this as well time permitting. I can fake the god part unless faith in Colt is acceptable