Shane45

Between 1500 and 2500+. At those distances your not so much looking at bullet holes as you are watching trace.

I only looked through NJ Pilots and I believe the model ia a bit different but after all the comments I have heard about konus and seeing his, they seem pretty good as a brand. My only hesitation about giving a full thumbs up is I didnt get a chance to try and resolve bullet holes at distance since we were shooting steel. But I can tell you it was A LOT better than other similer price range spotters I have peeked through as far as abheration, clarity, light etc etc.

Becaue you might as well be looking through a glass of milk!

Man I might buy one as backup or for windy days Im panicking my Kowa is going to get knocked off the table!

I am always optimising my tool box. The only firearms I have any emotional attachment to are the ones I build from the ground up or inherited. All the rest will be replaced in a heartbeat if a better tool comes along. With that being said, there are firearms I will keep because I know at some point I will return to that particuler shooting discipline and dont want to re-buy later. There is litteraly a metric ton of considerations for upraging but generally I have never been let down by buying the best I can. We will see if that holds true on my latest pursuits. I think the possibility exists that you can reach a point on the ladder where it has become diminished returns and the features your paying for may simple have no impact on you. Sort of like selling a car that can do 170 for one that can do 180 when you have never gone past 120! So the question becomes, do you need a snap on wrench when a craftsman will do fine at your usage level? But we have all been let down by the cheap wrench from china that breaks at the worst time. But then there is always the pride in ownership angle

A roller action close to AK NO WAY sez me!

On our little shooting trip this weekend I ran across a couple items that were truly stand outs and impressed me quite a bit. The first was Lunkers PTR32. It honestly felt like shooting a rifle with a can the recoil inpulse was so soft! Fit and finish of the rifle was very good. Seemed overall like a real quality rifle that was very fun to shoot. I will be adding one to the safe! The other was NJ Pilot's spotting scope. Being a bit of a glass snob I was not expecting his Konus to be as good as it was. Now I think that the absolute resolution went to my Kowa, but that big a** objective on his Konus sure did gather light well. For the price point I think this spotter would be tough to beat!!! Especially at a quarter the price of my Kowa!!!! Next time I meet up withhim Im going to make a point of spending a little more time behind his scope resolving bullet holes so I can comment further on this spotter. Shane

Hes a TOOL!

Lunker, I wish I didnt shoot your PTR

whats the actual addy so I can pop it in GPS????

Happy Birthday! Buy a new firearm to celebrate. A trend I started last month when I bought Maks's pistol on my birthday

I prefer prison lube

DOOD If I knew we woulda went to a place that required a lot of singles last night!!! Happy Birthday Brother!

Hey I heard you roll in. Glad you could make it. I was the one sitting next to Senator Van Drew. My ears always perk up when I hear a bike. I ride a Busa.

Dude!

If I were you I would research "Americans with Disabilities Act". Maybe some protection or accomodation lurking in there somewhere.

Or if you have seen a number of rifles go down with the bad lever jamming up the works

On te topic of LE owned weapons. Yeah im sure there are some knucklheads out there. Aside from that some dept are more leanient in this regard. I believe that as long as they get a dept letterhead they are exempt for the AWB. The caveot in that is if they leave the dept, they have to leave it behind.

IIRC Nappen advised that this could be a problem.

Mifflin county pa.... http://www.mifflincosportsmens.com/bylaws.htm

One thing to consider is the bullet launcher its self. So if the role is defensive/offensive and its a 1911, only the 45 will do IMO. If its a crunch and ticker, get whichever one blows your skirt up.

When I was a member of the Ammolab, our findings were that with modern ammo, little seperated the effectiveness of most combat apllication calibers AS LONG AS it was a known performing round. The reason I would go 40 is simply mag avalability that meets max or below for the stupid capacity laws in this state!

You are 100% correct. The actual shooting is minor compared to the rest. In fact I think the physical fitness advice was the best advice in this thread as far as military preparedness goes. Because if you go infantry you will hump huMP HUMP!!!! And to expand on your point, I dont think many realise just how tough it is and how much discipline is required. If anyone out there wants to have an idea of what Griz and I are talking about, in the dead of summer, go find an area in your yard, preferably with some ant hills nearby. Go lay there for three hours without moving, without swatting at bugs, without taking a break, without taking a drink or getting up to pee. You havent even scratched the surface yet but if you dont have the discipline for this tiny little excersize....

Griz, for the sake of this conversation I am only referencing the shooting aspect, nothing else. I dont want to get too wrapped up in splitting hairs (because I fully admit thats what I'm doing here) but I still say it can and is done. Its just the harder road. Again speaking only on the long range precision shooting aspect. The thing is this, Benning does a great job but many consider the shooting aspect a base line education with much more and better metheds to be learned elsewhere. Think of it as post graduate school The military is just now catching up to things the civilian world has known and been doing for some time. Many of these tecniques and equipment preferences have been borne out in the civy long range precision shooting sports arena. So if you are actively competing in long range tactical rifle comps, you are learning quite a bit. But like I said we are 99% in agreement.

My outline was a starting point. A very SOLID starting point but a starting point just the same. Ammo and training will be the two expenses that eclipse all else over time....