Shane45

I respectfully disagree. I find that MUCH of the myth surrounding this weapon platform is born and raised right here on the internet. I have in fact interviewed many from and still operating in the sandbox and those performing the training in said sandbox. Simply put, overwelmingly they love their M4's. I have even had conversations with designated marksman that chose to take their M4's even over M14's! Its a mature platform at this point. Not perfect, but I would argue it is very good. Heres a good article from an individual I KNOW is squared away! http://www.defensereview.com/the-big-m4-myth-fouling-caused-by-the-direct-impingement-gas-system-makes-the-m4-unreliable/

The reply from Springfield: "Get some man hands"

Yeah perhaps Im not tracking... Is the tube in the pic the one your using?

DA, it not being collapsable is not the issue. If it is easily reversable, thats an issue. Blind pin or weld is generaly accpeted as permanant. A modification that may make it not collapse but can be returned to original state because of a lack of permanant modification is an issue. I KNOW what your going to say next, "I can just replace the entire stock", I know, but its meeting the context of the law that is the issue.

My recomendation would be to still pin it. Let me put it this way. I actually designed a part to make the Scar stock non collapsable by turning a solid bar on my lathe. Well my partner pointed out that if it comes under question, they look for the pin. If they dont find one.... well it could turn ugly. So as much as I like to think logic would previal, the current climate says otherwise.

Your evidence is scourced from an anti gun organisation? How about you do some research from credible scources like the FBI.... JD if your going to take a smug position and talk in absolutes with comments like "i rest my case" then there is no dialogue here. I have nothing further to discuss with you. You can continue to live in fantasy land or you can engage in intelligent conversation and perhaps learn something. The direction your comments are heading are giving me great concern that the conversation will not be intelligent... One more comment, the activities outlined in the article are already illegal, so what would passing another law do to dissuade the criminal again?

jerseydave, tbtrout makes an observation that is interesting to me. Based on your statement which is basically more guns = more crime, that would seem to indicate an unusual perspective given the type of forum this is. In fact it may be revealing as tbtrout pointed out. It is a common anti gun rhetoric but the FACT is that its simply not true. FBI statistics offers a very valid indication that more guns = less crime. This is something that has been researched and proven ad nauseum. But you presented an opposite view, one commonly found amongst the anti gun agenda. Again, its the anti crowd that is plagued with a dont bother me with facts, let me believe what I want o believe because it supports my emotion based position. And so antis live by the edict of repeat a lie enough times it will become percieved as true. If you are in fact an antigun person, I truly would love to engage in respectfull intelligent conversation with you on the topic.

Yes your crazy. And heres why. No amount of law is going to matter to a criminal. He is free from the constraints that a law abiding citizen has to endure. A criminal is NOT going to be deterred from his activities because of a law. Someone determined to commit a crime will not be assuaged by the law. I could give you a million cases proving this out. Furthermore you give FAR to much credit to the anti side of the table. Ther IS NO middle ground. They simply want all guns outlawed. They will incrimentally chip away at our rights until that goal is met. What makes matters worse is that their position is based largely in emotion and therfore facts have no impact on their position so again, there is no middle ground. You cant rationalise with an irrational position.

I know there was some grumblings in the background about getting a speach on cap and trade but look at it this way guys, sometimes to get the right people to care about our issues, we might have to be fair and listen to theirs once in a while Id like to hear if there would be interest in a meeting that had a little change up in the venue a little bit. Just spitballing ideas. I wonder what reception to a meeting with the CCW station, some talks about what NJ2AS has cooking and is doing, and then perhaps a few different "workshops and demostrations" around the room and then group discussions on particuler topics would be like? I notice that the demonstrations are well recieved and there is definitly a natural progression for side group discussions on tactics, equipment and questions. Toss a little organization around this and I think it might make a good change up of venue? Id love to hear some thoughts/feedback. Shane

jerseydave, so many of your statements are so significantly flawed and contradicting I dont even know where to begin!

STARTED BY VJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Thanks for the heads up!

Ive had extensive hands on with that rifle. Its a great rifle IMO.

Im just kinda suprised. I didnt know James Earl Jones did the drag thing

BTW, the weapon in heat id take was the FN

Ray Ray with a solid piece of logic!

HA HA HA HA!!!! FUNNY!

200 is fairly short engagement distance if you ask me. Hell even a wallmart has got to be 300 yds down an isle.

In general terms there is merit for the statement that a bigger circle makes a bigger hole and is thus more effective. However, in the world of performance ammunition it its a different story. Its the reason why some 9mm rounds can significantly outperform some 45 rounds. As I have said before, there are some 5.56 loadings that look like a small explosive device went off in soft tissue! So even though my heart belongs to 45 and 308, I would not feel undergunned with a 5.56 and a 9mm with the right ammo.

"For up to 200ish meters, I feel 7.62 is superior." In what venue? "By the way, all these fancy rounds they come out with trying to make it effective....is proof that the round by design lacks. You dont see them doing this with 308" I view this statement as incorrect. ANyone wanna guess without looking what a box of Corbon HD 7.62X39 goes for?

"Come on, what's 4mm between friends?" Reliabaility! The 7.62X35 feeds reliably in AR mags where the 7.62X39 only feeds in dismal 10 rounders

I didnt even try I am thinking about a 7.62X35 though

Or just get the conversion when available for your ACR

Oh puleeeeeze. :thsmiley_deadhorse: What the military is confined to using has NO BEARING on what I use. Civy 5.56 effectiveness is at a minimum comparable to 7.62X39 with a FAR more usefull trajectory. As for the operation of the rifle, it may be fine for peasents

Its a war of perception Mipa. If its lost, it wont be just NJ!