Shane45

I would add Daniel Defence to the mix. Also a good old Colt 6920/6940.

My thinking is that the higher velocity will of course cover more ground faster so in effect it will be self cancelling keeping the twist rate constant. RPM increases but so does the rateat which the projo covers distance. So it will stil spin 1 rpm for every 10 inches traveled, just the time of flight changes. I dont know this to be fact, just my own theorizing. I have a program that Brian Litz(Balistrician for Berger Bullets) gave me that calculates bullet stability. I can give you a copy if your interested.

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Shooting precision groups with a red dot is difficult. I find I actually shoot smaller groups with irons. You have to remember that dot covers up a lot of realestate. For example my t1 micro is covering 4 inches @ 100 yds. Hard to be precise with that. But its great for running and gunning! Heres a 5 shot group I shot @ 100 out of an OBR with factory Corbon ammo. It was .346 center to center.

Let me just say Im not trying to give you a hard time. Just friendly intelligent discussion. I focused on that comment because I thought I might learn something I didnt know. What competitions are you refering to? I think its more a matter pf practacality. I say this because I have seen some die hard 30-06 shooters shoot amazing long range groups out of their custom rigs. So the point is its capable. But as far as practicle, I would much rather work the bolt of a short action than a long action. But keep in mind that with todays powders in a bolt gun, the 30-06 has a volume advantage! The spin has to match the projos length and weight. It will not fly right if it doesnt. For example 1X12 barrels tend to not do so well with 300grn projo's out of a 338lm. 1x10 or 1x9.X does better because its better matched to the bullet length and weight. But it will shoot 250's fine. So in that regard, spin, bullet length, and bullet weight all need to work together. If you fire it at a greater velocity it will still spin at the rate the barrel imparts to it. So yes I am saying that a requirement for more spin at greater velocity is incorrect. On the 22 topic, this is where apples to apples come in. A ruger 10/22 and a ps90 is a fair comparison as production semiauto rifles. But what you cant do is compare an Anschutz to a PS90. But can i build a comparable bolt action bench rest rifle around a 5.7? Sure I could. Think about how accurate 6mm br is.

Also keep in mind that ballistic coefficient doesnt make one round more accurate than another. It more affects the shooters ability and enhances their margin of error.

Well... we are talking pistol calibers here. But to use your example, I know more than a few that would dispute your 308 vs 30-06 claim. The projo's for 30-06 and 308 are the same so how do you get a better BC? In your 22 claim, again I dispute your claim. I know of several that have done bolt guns in 5.7 for handy little varmint rigs that have supurb accuracy. I would say that my PS90 is more accurate than my Ruger 10/22. At the extreme edges of accuracy there are case designs that can give a bit of advantage. But outside of that when comparing apples to apples, caliber is moot. The only affect velocity has on accuracy is going transonic. Otherwise there is no affect on accuracy.

How would caliber affect accuracy?

Hehe I was going to bust out the quote "because when your this cool the sun shines on you 24 hours a day". WHO CAN NAME THAT MOVIE????

They all look the same to me so I can never remember which is which

Go Geissele and dont look back!

"Muzzle blast bothers people just as much if not more than recoil." I have found this to be absolutely true and have proven it to several shooters that they were reacting to blast, not recoil. I had them plug in earplugs then muffs over that. All of a sudden it didnt recoil so much .

I guess if the range is 150 or less it might not matter much. But if you shoot beyond that, a good spotter is a great investment. I went with Kowa. It has been fantastic. I was easily picking up bullet trace with it yesturday when Sam and I were playing with optics and doing some testing.

Sigh... my lengthy post got lost. The readers digest version. the recoil impulse dwell time is much shorter on the 40 vs 45 making it feel snappy. Add that to a high bore axis pistol like a HK USPc and you have a whippy pistol. There is barely a recoil difference between 40 and 45. It just if a push you slowly for 2 feet or I shove you two feet in 1/3 the time. Same energy, much different feel. I dont find the recoil to be an issue at all for these calibers. But I have been accused of being recoil insensitive.

Im craving an Orange 69 Judge!

I didnt see it as bashing as much as a fair discussion on value. Booked solid means he priced it well from a business perspective. Unless posts were deleted, I didnt see any accusations of rip offs or any wrongdoings so I dont understand this comment. Video vs training. Depends on your perspective on the topic. Business expenses must always be accounted for, if they arent the business wont be around long. Again unless posts were deleted, I dont understand the comment because I didnt see what I would consider bashing GFH. In my opinion the proof is in the pudding. His classes were booked, so there you have it. As I said earlier in this thread, if the $ is reasonable to you and you dont feel comfortable going it on your own, by all means take the class. Now if one comes along that includes doing the barrel extension and chambering the barrel, Id be interested in that one! Shane

Budget?

Oh I see. Thanks for the correction.

WTF. The justifiable need language is in there!!!!

I also concur with vladtepes and have it on good authority that just such events HAVE happened....

Hmmmm maybe if I reverse my gunbelt I could fit 3.....

I though about the blade techs but sometimes the stages can get the round count up a bit. If your only going to carry 2 mags, I think belt mounted would be great. But beyond 2.... I think another solution is needed. The mini chest rig that carries 3 worked out fairly well. What I like is it did not really interfere with ops in the prone position.

I will be buying one of these. Thanks for the link!

hahaha My Parrot is a Canible, he loves turkey and chicken!!!!

FWIW manegement at the South Jersey Shooting club has told me that the rifle range is going to be pushed out to at least 600 yds and they are going to have a special lane for 50's. I told them if they did that, I was in