Shane45

"I do think they would hold their own." I respectfully disagree. Raz covered a lot of my thoughts. Team coms, night ops etc etc. So much more needed for the survivability of spec ops war fighting. This was underlined for me when some D-Boys toys came into the shop. They had COMPLETELY custom switches made for their rifles enabling them to turn on each different type of light, IR laser etc etc. It was abundantly clear that at least the owners of this equipment were HEAVILY focused on low light, no light ops. I have only seen the low light / no light competitions in the rarest of circumstances. So how exactly would a competitor hold their own in real life ops doing things they likely have not been exposed to? I haven't seen much team operations in competition either so again, new ground for them. I don't hold anything against 3 gunners at all mind you. I just don't think its a ticket to the show. This is much in the same vein of how there are PSR competitors out here that are fantastic shots and have hyper developed precision shooting skills. But it doesn't make them a sniper because the shooting skill is only a fraction of the overall skill set needed.

Your 3 gun match is still on the game side of the fence. Are you saying you can beat an Operator at a game? Ok. But I bet the Operator can beat you at war!

Snipers Hide is indeed a good place to shop used. However, just makes sure there is good feedback for the seller and be aware of the brand of scope you buy. Some scope manufacturers offer zero support to anyone but the original buyer.

I know BR guys like high magnification. I don't shoot BR so I really cant speak to that too much. Something to think about, an 8x scope would make 800 yards look like 100 yards. I rarely go past 14X on my scope. The more magnification you dial, the more things like mirage impact what your seeing. There is so much to consider here that it gets pretty tricky to advise. FFP are indeed more expensive because they are more expensive to make. Scopes are the realm of compromise and also deep into the rabbit hole of diminished returns. No one can really answer for another person what things are important to them. When you really dive into the world of scopes you learn that the things you are paying for are far beyond basic considerations. For example, is a S&B worth it? YES! To someone that ALL of the things a S&B brings to the table matters to. Clarity, light gathering, chromatic aberration, tunneling, color reproduction, pincussion etc etc etc etc. Some features are likely to weigh in much more heavily to some. S&B tends to have fantastic light gathering characteristics. In fading light I could still see with my S&B when other peoples scopes went dark long before the current light level. To someone that may face that environment, that can matter a lot. But back to the basics. Clarity is important but many agree, repeatability is king. But if you buy a quality scope, keep in mind there is always a market for it leaving you the opportunity to upgrade later.

A different take on the topic. No, assembling a standard AR is not rocket science. But I have fixed enough other peoples builds to form an opinion that fundamentals of solid assembly techniques, tools and knowing what to do when faced with a problem may be beyond a fair amount of people. Now, when you step outside of standard and in the realm of the 6.5G or worse, large frame AR's, you are entering a different world. Let me qualify my statement a bit. If your building a blaster 6.5G then I may agree with the posters above. But most people building a 6.5G are pursuing a precision rifle. And I have come across a number of 6.5 specific build techniques to help achieve those accuracy pursuits. I too encourage doing it yourself. But go into it understanding you may not end up with a reliable bug hole shooter coming out the other end. If you indeed want a precision 6.5 Grendel then it may make sense to pursue a precision 6.5G centric builder.

If your intentions are more benchrest style then its probably not an issue going with SFP. FFP comes into play when ranging or shooting movers.

Is the intention for a DMR type setup or is the goal a dedicated precision semiauto rig?

A light and optic works for YOUR needs Ray. But it is not an absolute. And my issue with your statements is you speak in absolutes that would imply the rifle that meets your needs would meet everyone's needs.. What most do matters little to the person that needs more or different. Im glad to see you have jettisoned your mall ninja ways of the past and are looking at things more practically. But you need to understand that needs aren't universal.

What do you need a light for, you only shoot in the daytime on a one way range. You don't need a light!

Ray, stop making absolute statements and those that know what they are talking about wont have to challenge you at every turn.

Yeah comes with not actually being a lawyer

Says the guy that had a pistol with a bayonet attached to it

I defer to HE's input and simply would add that I think the real gain for a 16" PCC would be the shootability and subsequent improved accuracy. I would, however, look for a SD round that is a known good performer out of a PCC. IIRC some rounds can actually become less effective when overdriven.

Residency aside, yes I think they are pretty clear. Meet the definition, catch a charge for possession. N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.2 Definitions: "Assault firearms" means: 5. A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts from which an assault firearm may be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person. Also noteworthy: Possession may also be joint, State v. McCoy, supra, 116 N.J. at 299-300; State v. Brown, supra, 80 N.J. at 597-98, so that two or more persons jointly may possess the same object, State v. Mendez, 175 N.J. 201, 212 (2002), when they "share actual or constructive knowing possession of" that object. State v. Morrison, supra, 188 N.J. at 14-15 (quoting Model Jury Charges (Criminal) Possession (Apr. 18, 2005)).

I agree with most of what your saying. However, in my opinion its not constructive intent, its possession. Constructive intent, the way I read the law, would be if the if it could be proven that you had, say the upper, stashed at a buddies house and you had access to it. Again, this is just my interpretation.

I do know someone that bought one but Im not sure if he has had it out to the range yet. Ill ask for his opinion if you like.

Your probably right about the Verge. I didn't really look into the source as I was just quickly looking for the article that lined up this information. But the article indeed mirrors much of what I heard inside the industry about them.

Ill be your restraint: https://www.theverge.com/2015/6/11/8764611/tracking-point-rifle-company

The Guardian is in the house! Here are some pics for those interested. Rifle locks up like a bank vault. It just wreaks of precision manufacturing. If anyone would like to discuss how to make this rifle theirs, please reach out to me. If you would like to see it, it is on display at the store. The Atlas Bipod is not included with the rifle (Its my personal Bipod) but it could be added to the sale if someone had to have it. Not pictured but included is a very nice Drag Bag from Cadex. A Cadex rifle owner just recently posted up whacking some smallish steel targets at 1100 yards with his own Guardian in 6.5CM .

Malice, your making an assumption that the energy at handgun levels has a significant impact on its effectiveness. I don't think evidence supports that position. A 10mm running at over 600 foot pounds of energy has not proven to be a more reliable stopper than a 9mm at under 400. So what you see as a significant difference, I see as insignificant based on the evidence that a much greater difference in energy still doesn't seem to affect its effectiveness. Keep in mind Im talking handgun calibers only. The math changes dramatically when you enter into rifle calibers. As HE has alluded to, a level of understanding what makes a handgun caliber as effective as its likely to be has been achieved. Now all SD ammo manufacturers build around attaining those ballistic characteristics. And IMO this is what drives the equilibrium you now see in terms of 9, 40 and 45 being so similar in effectiveness. Of course they are, they are all driving towards the same ballistics now.

As much as I like the SAS, I have no faith that even 1 fact presented by that tabloid is accurate.

Maks, Im on in the neighborhood of my 5th P30 and a P2k thrown in, I haven't had that issue with any of them. What I HAVE noticed is it does take a bit for it to settle down and hit point of aim. Anywhere from 50 to 150 rounds. I would love to know how they predict where the pistol will shoot to instead of where it shoot out of the factory

I haven't heard the +P break in thing. But the availability of +P 9 is one of the reasons why I don't see any need for a .40 in my golf bag. Now Im only speaking in terms of defense/offence. Im sure there are a number of reasons for its use in competition etc etc.

That it is a lesser round.

The reason for the fall of .40, the end of the stigma of 9mm.