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Kind of ironic when you consider that NJ2AS was practically born here....

If it was actually up to the State Police I think you would find far more legal than illegal. Id point the ire at the AG's office.

Id seek a different lawyer and if it were me that lower would be making a quick trip through the band saw. One of the few laws in NJ that is not ambiguous. Notice it does not say business, it distinctly says person. This is the specific language that leaves most in agreement, including the FIU, that it is illegal to finish an 80% lower in NJ and constitutes manufacturing. 13:54-1.2 Definitions "Manufacturer" means any person who receives or obtains raw materials or parts and processes them into firearms or finished parts of firearms, except a person who exclusively processes grips, stocks, and other nonmetal parts of firearms. The term does not include a person who repairs existing firearms or receives new and raw materials or parts solely for the repair of existing firearms.

Did you finish it here in NJ? Not just any FFL can finish it.

Watcha looking for? Chassis or rifle? Rifles can go anywhere from 4400 MSRP to up around 11k MSRP for a well optioned Kraken with multiple caliber kits. I went for a full scoot Kraken with 6.5 Creedmoor and 300Norma Magnum We do have a CDX30 Guardian in 6.5cm coming in for inventory. Should be about 2 months out.

Alex, yes we can get you a chassis Current lead time looks to be 5 weeks. Got one coming in this week for a customer that ordered 5 weeks ago. Cadex was spot on with their lead time estimate. Bullzeye, as you know I love AI. I have had 5 AI rifles over the years. Now some of the advantages could be purely subjective. But what I have noticed over the years is that people either love the way an AI feels or hate it. Actually Im the only one I know that was in between where I didn't love it but didn't hate it. So those I have talked to with Chassis or complete rifle commented on how good the feel was. Now, the engineering of the barrel change system is what attracted me to the rifle to begin with. Cadex reports, as well as a few AI AXMC owners I know, is a shift in POI after a barrel change. Now if that barrel is a 338LM that could get expensive over time to re-zero. The Cadex system is supposedly no shift. Aside from that, I like that its not a pinch hold on the barrel like the AI and the DTA. Its really a torqued barrel like a normal rifle, just a cool as shit, out of the box way of going about it. Cadex keeps all the info about your rifle on file and can kick you out a prefit barrel at any time. This is true of even the non Kraken rifles.

Im doing just that!

A review on the Cadex 338LM from Frank/Snipershide

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Griz, with all due respect, I don't find your arguments logical. Is it currently illegal to own a 30 round magazine? Yes, so you would be breaking current law. Are there laws on the books about burglary tools? Yes N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:5-5. But even then the prosecutor will still need to prove the tool was possessed with the intent to commit a crime, which he will likely be able to articulate if the totality of circumstances exist. BUT THE STATUTE EXISTS! Please show me the statute for possession of tools to manufacture firearms like the burglary tool statute I listed above. In regards to "law abiding citizen" I think you missed the point that the SAME interpretation of the law from your perspective could easily be used against a law abiding citizen if accepted against the suspect. I don't care if he rots for his actual crimes. I care if he is charged and convicted for possession because it sets a bad precedent for others to be convicted too. You seem to be missing the point that it would make anyone that has an 80% lower a criminal. Assume it is an 80 lower and has not been worked on at all. Manufacturing was not conducted therefore no crime was committed. That is the only law on the books Im aware of. There isn't one for tools like there is for burglary tools. So what crime was actually committed in regards to firearms? If this were to be judged a crime somehow, then anyone who owns an 80% lower would now be subject to the same judgment. You don't see a problem with this? Where does it stop? 60% lower? Why wouldn't a block of aluminum, a mill and blueprints be a problem too? 3d printer and a file? In my opinion this has all been thought about and the threshold of 80% decided on. If 1 gram of substance x is a non crime ticket and over a gram is the threshold for the crime of intent to distribute, how is it your advocating charging intent to distribute with less than a gram and below the threshold of a crime. To be clear less than a gram = 80 lower. Over a gram = a 80% lower that has been made more complete than its original state, having crossed the threshold of potentially being the crime of manufacturing in NJ.

So your threshold of prosecution is skill level? Again, by your position, if I had an 80% lower, then I should be prosecuted/convicted because I COULD complete it while in NJ. It would be so much easier for me than the guy with a jig. I don't even need the jig, I just need to turn a couple dials! There is no law against owning an 80% lower. There is no law against owning tools. There is no law against being in possession of both. There is only a law against completing it in NJ unless you are a type 7 FFL. There is no law against owning a car that can go 200MPH. There is a law against going 200 on public roads. But we don't convict everyone that has a Lambo because they COULD go 200 on public roads. We only convict them if they actually do it. This kid indeed looks like someone deserving of the grey bar hotel for a number of reasons, but if that lower has not been worked on and is an 80% lower, possession of a firearm wont be one of them. And if I am right and that's the conclusion the prosecutor comes to, I would agree with it, even for this scumbag. Laws and their interpretations that leave way to much latitude lend themselves to be misused by those in the system with an agenda. Today a kid that is bad but tomorrow may be the law abiding citizen planning to move out of Jersey some day and just bought the stuff ahead of time that caught an anti gun prosecutor.

But its not finished. So the threshold has not been crossed. Until the threshold has been crossed, its a block of metal. Without a defined level of completion in the law, anyone at any level of completion, including zero, could be subject to being charged. Based on your position, because I have a milling machine, blocks of metal and AR15 blueprints I should be subject to conviction? I think you way overestimate the difficulty in producing a lower. Go take a look at the youtube video of the guy that made a lower out of a cut up and glued together cutting board. So you cant have it that position of a cutting board and a blueprint is a crime. If the act is actually perpetrated by a prohibited person or in a state its illegal to do so, then that's a different story.

And just to be clear, I am in agreement that based on the info provided in this thread and the link, my take is this kid is working on his thug/gangsta/cartel resume. But the actual crime of possession is what Im specifically focused on.

Until that lower is more than 80% its nothing but pieces of metal.

But unlike meth, there are no laws I am aware of against owning the components, only against completing a lower which apparently didn't happen. Just because you have everything under your kitchen sink to manufacture a bomb from normal household items does not mean you are committing a crime. In this case, in my opinion, he would have to complete or attempt to complete the task to have committed that crime. If what you were saying was true, then everyone with a block of aluminum and a milling machine could be convicted.

This certainly paints a gang life intention doesn't it....

It s a trap!

I like the way the optic stays with the barrel assembly.

Copy that.

T1D put those holes in the bolt handle?

Depends on who is doing the building. I tend to favor factory rifles these days myself. But if you have something very specific in mind you may be locked in to a custom build.

Go look on the Tavor forum. I know someone had that issue but was able to resolve it. Don't remember what the solution was, just that there was one.

Rgr that.

Here is a thought. You guys with the knowledge might put together a few threads educating us unwashed masses on the topic. Many of us know them by name. BUT its a lot like looking at a boat or a muscle car, if you don't know what your really looking at you could end up buying a pile of crap not worth the box it was shipped in. So if someone were to put together informative threads on a specific rifle, what to look for, whats desirable, whats a great price, ok price, and you got fleeced price, these things would be helpful to those looking to start out in milsurps. I for one would appreciate this kind of thread.

The SCAR 16/17 seem to manage with poly rails.