Shane45

It has me grumpy enough to continually be plotting my escape to America!

Id avoid DC altogether!!!! http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/23/miller-dc-businessman-faces-two-years-jail-unregis/

Rob, the topic was a NJ resident building. But to address your question in terms of moving here/dual residence, whatever the circumstance, the same issue still remains. Do you want to be the test case? You don't need to be guilty, just charged. While your charged you will probably be relieved of everything else you own. I can assure you these treasures will be treated like trash while in the custody of the prosecutors office. How about being charged with removal of a serial number? You and I know why its not there, but I think a youtube video on the side of the road to Mr. LE is not going to have the effect you may think it will. It will get run up the chain of command and most likely someone is going to greenlight the arrest under CYA because "Evil Black Rifle". The root cause of these issues is that in NJ you are guilty until proven innocent. The Burdon of innocence is on the resident that chooses to own firearms in a state where all firearm are prohibited and you can only own them under exceptions to the law. Consider that this is a state seeking what, 15 years for some actors perpetrating stupidity with a bb gun? Yes I know of several cases where parents beat their children into brain damage or death and got 4 years. You are playing on the field of a heavily negatively biased court. This is the reality of NJ, so is it worth it to use an 80% lower or any iteration thereof? In my opinion the answer is no. But of course an Americans you can make your own choices

I think all the AR owners that got a knock on their door and their AR's taken in Maryland and Virginia during the Beltway Sniper incident would disagree with you. I also think you underestimate how easily and inexpensively it could be digitized. Especially if someone like Hillary gets in and federally funds such things.....

That is not the context of this thread. The question was asked about assembling an AR in NJ and you advised he could do an 80% lower. Then you advised he could run across a state line and do it. In my opinion this is bad advice. I fail to see where the junction is between your current point "someone moving to new jersey from another state" has to do with the context of this thread which is a resident assembling an AR. How did you arrive at the point about moving here from another state with an AR from building an 80% lower in another state as a NJ resident?

The manufacture issue in NJ is a NJ law issue, not a fed law issue. Even if you bought a completed one outside NJ, again, do you want to be that trial case?

Do you really think this is good advice? Would you do it? I have exactly the capabilities to execute what you suggest but there is no way in hell I would. Why, because I cant afford the time off from work to sit in jail, the money for bail, and the significant funds it would take to defend the case that has no existing precedent in this state should I be the lucky one to get the officer that doesn't have a law degree, a deep understanding of firearms and the DA that is anti gun that doesn't agree with you.

As covered on this board many times, you can not complete an 80% lower in NJ....

I think Biele Jewelers should be made aware their bias is showing. I plan on letting them know I will never be a customer due to their position on the matter. By their own logic, they create a public safety hazard by creating an environment likely to be the target of a robbery!

Hundreds? My scanners, which we have 7 of, can do 200 pages, both sides, a minute

And this is why I continue to point out that focusing on the implement is a huge mistake. This is why I disagree with laws that have greater penalties for firearms. It takes the focus off the actor and onto the implement. In my view there is no difference if the actor used an AK, a Peterbuilt, a gallon of gas, match and chains or a Boing to perpetrate his attack......

If somehow Hillary wins I am quickly moving to Texas as Im pretty sure they are going to try and secede from the union!

I believe they are! I have locations and employees all over the country. I HATE dealing with the ones from Mass, generally arrogant blow hards that continually contrive and argue even when there is no point to it, and California, whom are just always out in left field or on another planet and can never track whats going on in a discussion.

Historically NJ does not recognize or subscribe to "grandfather" type arrangements....

As I have always said: they will learn and not make the same ban mistakes twice yes they are coming for your weapons every gun law, no matter how well intended, is an avenue for 2nd amendment abuses Incrementalism is a strategy towards the end goal of banning

I see, so your calculating it out based on spot and actual content.

How do you get 90 or 95% spot price of gold on something less than 60% gold?

Clown act to go along with the clown shoes? Tryouts for AGT?

How did you guys get Charlie Sheen to do the billboard?!?!?!?!

Charlie don't surf!

"No one wants to take your guns" This is true. The whole group does!

It is my opinion you would indeed need a P2P because the lower will have been manufactured as a pistol.

Meaning NJ has a disposition against guns and a disposition of guilty until proven innocent. So I would not trust this state to not abuse the list just like it abuses PPP and FID applications. http://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-published/1996/a339-95-opn.html " When dealing with guns, the citizen acts at his peril."

NJ would just declare the entire state to be suspicious and place the population on the watch list. Then you would have to contest being on the list to get yourself off of it. It only took a Kennedy 6 months to get off the list, we should do about as well right?

This one looks to me to be one of the clearer cases of a straw purchase. Looks like the buyer articulated the indentions for the rifle that proved to be a blatant lie. Add that to intending to turn the firearm over to another.... Is anyone organizing to demand criminal investigation? Id be on that list!!!!