Shane45

I dont know the answer to that question. But if I had to place a bet it would be Texas.

The cop and the soldiers points were excellent!

Can you believe a hunter is the one that gets up and says ban semiauto's!!!! Freaking grandma after grandma gets it but the hunter dont!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comcast channel 90 C-SPAN.

Watching the gun violence prevention public forum. I keep seeing people get up and I think to myself here it comes. Grandma is going ot blast gun ownership, but ITS NOT HAPPENING. These people of ALL types are hitting on all cylinders and presenting cleear support and arguments IN CALIFORNIA no less!!!!!

Armdorf, thank you for that Captain obvious review! I mean everything you said has only already been said 10,000 times. Fantastic. Great for your hit count right? However, you say one thing I have not heard or seen. You stated he has caused real big problems in this situation. Exactly what are those problems? Please back up your statement.

"Incorrect. His ridiculous rant made him look like an idiot, but it does nothing to invalidate any valid point or facts he said, as they have no correlation. To automatically dismiss something based on something else is ignorant, even if the medium you hear it from is a giant dickwad." I disagree with this statement. Ignorant it may be but that is the attention span of the gen public. Diametrically opposed information from both sides mean the gen pub will likely adopt the information form the more cedible seeming scource.

I will not comply with a fed ban....

How do you register and insure a dirtbike?!?!?!

I only ever refused 1 sale. It was for a decent amount of tactical 308 ammo with barrier penn qualities. I agreed to sell the ammo. During the transaction comms the buyer just simply tripped my alarm radar. So I refused the sale and backed out of the deal. The buyer turned out to be Calin Chi Wong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was thankfull that I would not be included in the list of people I knew being contacted by 3 letter agencies whome had sold stuff to him. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-04-03-268082757_x.htm

Yes ray, but presented in a way that someone not in either camp can understand. The simple logic may get through and aid us in gaining the support of what I hope is a rational majority. I will use my wife as an example. Obviously she understands the sit rep. But she speaks her mind. And when she viewed Yeagers vid, her reaction was not possitive in the least. And this is from a pro 2A mother of 2. And here is someone that has met many well aquited been there done that types.Calm voice of reason is whats needed now. MAC's video encompases this quite well.

Finally someone put together a clear concise statement!

When your trying to keep your kids, you dont threaten to beat their ass bloody in front of DYFS............ Irrational fear drives the anti. Those on the fence could easily be swayed the wrong way with this approach. If it needs to be said, it needs to be said on the same year, month, day, and time and not by 1 but by 3,000,000.....Even if the content has any validity, he comes off as hostile and potentially unstable.

An unsolicited inquiry changes the dynamic dramatically

The single problem with the video, anyone needing convincing aint going to understand any of it let alone process the arguments and points. What we really need is a video that makes sense to the other side in their own language. Let me see if I can find some crayons. Some one needs to make a cartoon about how when you were a kid it seemed like a good idea to move all deaf people by the airport. Its only when you become an adult and understand complexity you see the sillyness. Unfortunatly the left still thinks its a bright idea to move all deaf people by the airport! Its the same with gun control, they have not gotten past 1 demensional thinking!

"It's not a sign of him being careless," Alterman added. "It was an accident. Nobody intentionally loses a weapon. He was changing in and out of his duty uniform to his street clothes. He was transferring his weapon from his duty holster to an off-duty holster. And unfortunately he lost a weapon. He left it on the car or the truck. When he realized it was gone," Careless is to a person leaving a weapon on a vehicle and driving off as stupid is to lawyer tryig to say carelessness aint!

I respectfully submit there is confusion between vetting someone as good to do business with vs someone being cleared for purchase. To the buyers point, unless his cash is counterfiet, there is no risk to you. He has been vetted by the state as meeting all criteria for purchase and thus again, no risk to you.With that being said, the seller always reserves the right BUT sellers that feel this way should include that in their adds IMO.

Since no one can tell you the future, there is no right answer. Weigh your risks and make your decision. That is the only way to procede.

Wow!

Told ya that would happen!

Vini, your assertions were all over the place. 1 second your talking about under 50 yds, the next your spouting off about how 200 yd shots are unrealistic in the woods. Then from there we are at 3600 meters. The only question that became clear was what min safe distance is. I gave 1 simple example how a variable would affect min safe distance. Im sure there are many others I havent thought of. But a min safe distance is just that. A distance that no matter the variable, you can consider your self safe from that 1 in a million chance. But the fact of the matter is your assertions give a distinct impression that your musings are entirely pedantery. Just how much actual shooting experience do you have? Lets have a look shall we? I agree with you guys: 5 meters is close range, but 200-300 hundred meters in a forest is not realistic. You dont think a 200 meter engagement in the woods is realistic?????? How far you can see there? It would be more like 20-30 meters at most. We arent exactly in the amazon rainforest here! As long as military plays in *stan sandbox - long distances might be practical. But if we are talking about other places (remember Vietnam?) where wooden areas are common, the game has different rules.What game are we talking about? For decades the longest confirmed sniper kill was made in Vietnam. Must be because visibility in the woods was only 30 meters right? Russians developed 5.45x39 for their own needs and most of places within area of their interests have a lot of trees. Think about your own needs. Well, obviously the only use in NJ for all the shown calibers is target shooting - what else you can do? Home defense? I don't know... Unless you live in the middle of nowhere (not that many places like that left in NJ, if any)I guess you dont get out much in NJ because I can show you a million places right here in NJ where it is WIDE OPEN SPACE! and have no neighbors within at least a mile around you - too risky. Handgun would do much better job. Or shotgun. In the context of overpennetration and the safety of surrounding neighbors, this is proven false and displays your lack of knowledge on the subject. Only SHTF left. Pure fantasy, of course, but if you will have an engagement in such event, it would be less that 50 meters and most likely in a wooded area. Why 50 meters or less? Well, lowlives who might come to take your food/whatever else, are less likely to to arrange for snipers to take you out, they will just come in and start an assault. Also, it might be hard to explain to LE/jury how killing someone 200-300 meters away was a self defense. Again your missing some of the point. The vid wasnt about safety. It was about the difference between cover and concealment and the folly of movies. Unfortunatly I dont think it took into account the defence mechanism treese have to keep from freezing in winter. But the point that people like Vlad and Griz were trying to make to you is that these weapons in a self defence scenario ARE in fact safer for bystanders given the right ammo and caliber selections in the context of overpenetration. But that was not the point of the vid and it seems you were intermixing the subjects in error.

The answer Vini was altitude. The point was the variable makes the difference. A max safe distance has to consider all variables.......

Give HD a cigar He is on to it. So if we go to 10,000 feet shooting at an angle with a tail wind, the same 5.56 projo at 1000 giving the same energy as a 38 at 15 is now only 10 ft/lbs of energy less at 2000 yds! Its all in the variables. So whatever the "safe" distance is, it would have to take every concievable variable into consideration.

And just as a point of interest, a 75 gr 5.56 at 1000 yds is about the same as a 130 grn 38 special at 15 yds.in terms of energy.

Vini, the problem here is that you simply do not understand the answers being given. Your question, if a 5.56 round is lethal at distance beyond aiming the shot. Your concern is how big of a fallout area do you need to be safe. To determine said safe area it has to encompass ALL possibilities. So I ask you again: Why can I make an effective aimed shot at 1800 meters in one location, same rifle, optics, load, and not another location?