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If your question is can an unaimed projectile kill you at 1000 yds, the answer is yes. But the relevance is iirrelevant! There are many different variables and considerations, to many to even begin to list. What Travis Hailey did. for example, with aimed 5.56 fire at 800 yds may have no relevance whatsoever on what you can do at 300! Riddle me this. Why can I make an effective aimed shot at 1800 meters in one location, same rifle, optics, load, and not another location?

LOL!

Vini, so far everything you have posted in this thread seems about 98% wrong LOL.

This!

T1, surefire, prototype ir ld.

Many feel the Hughes amendment was never passed. I watched the video and it sure looks like it wasnt to me from what I recall! But it was some time ago!

Ill tell you what, a lot of you guys are just off base. Its a much bigger picture that I am suprised more dont see. No manufacturer is going to lay out BIG capitol to add machines and people to ramp up production. That lesson has been taught already. Go look up how many manufactururs of AR lowres popped up last go around. Look at how many are left!!! Now consider how precarious it is for a manufacturer right now! Most are not paying attention to the fact it is a double punch! Consider the impact to manufacturers that have the US Govt as a big part of their customer base. Well in consideration of the ginormouse tax cuts in govt spending proposed, what do you think that means to them? Their future is clearly uncertain. Consider the materials to make the lowers. Due to the run on the black rifle, material is becoming harder to get in the quantities needed. So the whole chain is affected. Price will increase. But now look at the local dealer. What should he do? Sell all his stuff at reguler prices so some ftard can buy all his inventory and go make bank on gunbroker? I know it sucks but prices are going to be off the charts until stable ground, whantever that may be, is recovered. Consider the risk gun stores now face! What if they place a big ass order today for $250,000 in rifles and an executive order comes out tomorrow? Who exactly is stuck with that bill and truck full of unsellable merch? At this point I really dont consider it gouging. The market still has a limit if what in can tolerate. It is a complex problem with no obvious solution. But the bottom line is its a sh!t sandwhich we all are stuck taking a bite of. With no one being able to say with ANY certainty what the law, manufacturing backlog, or any of the other variables may bring, there is really no way to know even what a fair price is anymore.... Im sure many here have more than 1 AR, what are you willing to sell it for considering it could possibly be the last one you ever own?

On the topic of manufacturing an ar...it can be done with a cutting board! As I have posted previously:

This is the emboldenment I was talking about when I said it concerned me the ground swell may make the anti's think they can really go for it.

Forgive me if Im wrong but Albanian, your comments wreak of someone fishing for the perfect quote to put in an anti gun article. Guys be wary of feeding the anti 2A propaganda machine..........

An interesting point made in the same discussion was that in his cross section of data, those shot with 9 and 40 often tended to be shot many more times as those that succumed to 45 hits.

Its a thought I have had. I was considering just welding the gas port closed. Slotting the left side of the reciever and making it into a left side charger. But my interest was doing this for a non standard caliber like 6.5g. BUT the reason for the pursuit is for accuracy and I had a concern that manually charging it each time would reak havoc on consistancy. My other concern was systems that have tried this before had serious issues from what I recall. But it was based on a 50 cal

I did a lot of research when I was a member of the Ammolab. We matched up projectiles that had proven records from actual shootings with the measurments from unproven rounds to get a kind of predictability of performance. All in all it was pretty accurate. But I am with MWPX. The general difference of effectiveness in quality rounds, 9 or 45 has seemed somewhat small to me for a long time. You have to hit the vital hydraulic system or CNS with a pistol round. Thats it. BUT recently I read an article from a coroner that made me re-evaluate my position. He was former LE and thus looked at his findings from the perspective of performance. He favored the 45 and for very good reason IMO. I can say that I cling to capacity without a really good argument for doing so. Average gunfight is what, 6 rounds total? If your odds are lottery high for getting into a gunfight as a civy to begin with, then what are your odds of getting into a protracted gunfight? Part of me would prefer to be prepared for ANY possibility. But the report from this coroner had some compelling arguments to the contrary. Basically his position was that he has autopsied a number of individuals that had been shot by 9 mm rounds that would have hit vitals had they not been deflected internally. In contrast, his findings indicated the 45 rounds tended to smash on through and hit the vitals without the same level of deflection 9mm's experienced. So if the likelyhood is that your fight will be 3 shots or less does it indeed make more sense for those to be rounds that are less likely to be deflected? My answer is I guess it depends on how good of a shot you are! I cant speak to the possibility of randomness. Could rounds be deflected into a better hit? Maybe. But I can only take the coroner at his word that entrance wounds on target stayed on taget compared to 9's that in some percentage of cases dit not. With that being said, in my opinion there is also a lot of merrit to the statement tha due to the lower cost, you can train more with 9mm. I think there is a controllability argument to be had as well. You cant really calculate the effectiveness of misses so having no data there makes it plausible that someone could possibly have a higher hit ratio with a 9mm but there is no easy way to determine that. But in the ends, I think the even with the coroners findings, I would not feel undergunned with a good 9mm with quality ammo. But one has to consider that some of the compacts out there that hold 10 rounds of .45 might just be the best balance of capacity and effectiveness.

Does capable but not willing matter?

PK I noticed that myself! Ive done several PWS brakes with no problem at all. So much so I stopped bothering using Carbide bits on them. But this last one....OUCH! It was hard as F.

I know Im preaching to the choir here, but there is a fundamental element that I think even some gun owners overlook. The fact of the matter is firearms are actualy very simple machines. A law WILL only primarily keep guns in the hands of criminals leaving the rest of us defenseless!!! Unless of course criminals have a super inate fear of cutting boards I am unaware of!

Forget about the overtones, how does it make any sense to potentially punish those trying to make sure they are compliant? I dont know if Im just reaching that cynical age or what but.... I grow so weary of the feeling of constant government intrusion. I am particulerly tired of NJ manufacturing criminals.....

Since when is a private citizen required to collect evidence and contact authorities? Where was the swearing in and signing on as an acting agent of law enforcement?

I will inquire what it is ok and not ok to share. If I can reveal more, the tie in will make more sense.

No I dont. My info is not found, it is direct and personal. But keep in mind if you care to doubt me, when I told everyone what was coming for MSAR, LWRC, FN etc etc before any of the info was public was all proven true.

Jack, Im not basing my statements on stuff I read on the inet as you apparently are. The Dicks order was for a large amout of rifles. Dicks violated some agreements prior to the unfortunate Newton incident so the fact is there was already a problem as I alluded to in my previous posts. Somoene asked why dont they just put them up for sale. My asnswer was and is, the rifles are spoken for as another distributer has bought out all remaining inventory and production. But due to the fact that legel entanglements are likely, I really am not going to say much more on the subject.

Remember when I said mark my words way back when http://njgunforums.c...__fromsearch__1

All Troy rifles are spoken for.

Idunno KD, Im thinking weak side barracade is a PITA with the bullpups that eject out the right side. I know this is why the British hate patrolling the right side of a street with theirs.

Are you kidding. This would be the best thing EVER. Buy em up. Spend your rmillions. Burn em to the ground. This would be so amazingly good for the manufacturing industry its not even funny. You see, what they can never buy is the knowledge in my head to make things! Same for everyone else. So buy the company and give me all the capital I need to do it again with the latest greatest machinery!!! And they have spent all their money and accomplished nothing but spending all their rescources and spawning a bunch of brand new manufacturing companies. Think Windham Weaponry.