Shane45

I wouldnt put that much faith in NICS Data. For example some states in America, if you have a CCW you are exempt from Nics. And at what point did all 50 get on board. If I remember correctly it took a while. That is not to say buying isnt at a all time high but again, the data can be easily misinterpreted. I also wanted to add that the state of politics and the perceptoin of the people arent always congruant. Think about every poll you see even on places like CNN that come out pro 2A by a large margin. Sounds like a silent majority against a political agenda. I do believe and agree that the political pendulum is being forced back the other way to a degree. But sociatal anxiety especially here make it a strugle for sure. "The nice thing is they buy all this crap they see in the VGs, then go out an shoot for real. That nice dose of reality lets them re-think their setup, and hopefully even learn more about the sport." This is my hope and why I welcome them. I dont care how they get their start, just that they do. BUT, (you knew a but was coming didnt you)it IS a problem when said Video Game player stands there and argues with a D-Boy operator with 15 RK's under his belt and finally spills it that his opinion on the subject is based on said video games....... TRUE STORY!!!

"Not true. It's only recently following the dark times of the Brady Bill and AWB that we've seen an upsurge in firearms and accessories." I disagree with this statement. "You say you have little in common, but you still use all that stuff. Sure the reasons for owning the particular firearms and accessories may differ a bit, but the end result is the same." Id like to pick at this a little bit. What I can tell you is this. What is on Joel's, Mine, Tactical Monkeys, Tossers and a number of other members rifles here may be all different from each other. But its on there for the same reason. That reason is because of a few things. Considerable time vetting out this equipment that its solid and works well for the individual, the intended role of the rifle and proven reliability. Not because it was seen on a videogame somewhere or in a movie. I cant tell you the number of people that come to me about recreating the optics setup they see in video games! OH how I wish Modern Warefare 2 put a damn aimpoint on the rifle instead of a cheap Chinease Haako sight!!!!!!!!! I AM happy to see anyone joining the shooting sports! But the motivations for those selections as you can see are significantly different. However all hope is not lost as I have seen a good number of 2.0's get some experience under their belt and graduate to 1.5

"That mostly style based description does not fit Wastegate, Shane, several others, and myself, who would like to be on your side. As far as the tool discussion, I have met quite a few people in training classes, who were excellent shooters, many with combat experience, who were not "into" guns, but just considered them tools that they use to defend themselves. There is noting wrong with appreciating a gun's style, but some people couldn't care less about style, just function. I am just trying to make you aware that you have many potential allies who would say that they do not fit your 2.0 description." I wholheartedly agree. The motivation is the delineation and is likely why we see them more along the lines of tools. Im sure you have seen me reference "golf clubs in the bag, right tool for the right job" several times here on the forum. Personally i dont care if counterstrike/Call of Duty etc etc is what got you here. As long as you have your head about you I welcome you. Just dont tell me about how your Call of Duty tactics apply to the real world I guess to further pontificate, the thing to understand about the motivation for "tool" selection is that those that see them as tools tend to have zero emotional attachment to them. If the tool doesnt live up to expectations or a better tool comes along, the previous one is sumarily out the door. Based on my observations of people that I would say fit your 2.0 description is that they have an emotional investment in the firearm and how much they paid for it. They take it personally if a solid case is made for why the tool they are using may have issue or is potentially substandard.

DA, Im not familier with the range your talking about. Do they have the facilities for close rifle shooting and allow for things like transitioning from rifle to pistol?

I dont have to have a personal interest in bench rest shooting to appreciate what they are doing. However I certainly would make every effort to be considerate to said shooter. I either set up to the right of said benchrester or far left so as not to drop brass on him or anyone for that matter. This is a matter of consideration, not a discrepancy of shooting disciplines. As for mag dumps...well....if your at a range that has no berm concerns because of considerable fallout area, knock yourself out! What do I care if you piss away ammo safely. But be carfull you can go blind from too much triggerbation.

What I care about is having a range that I can train at doing the style of shooting I want to do. The type of training and shooting Joel, myself and many others do in the "1.5" crowd is persona non grata at many ranges. I had my eyes opened to the old school contempt you talk about when I was a guest at a range that shall remain un named but WOW, given a hard time and discourteous treatment at just about every turn by the majority. Lots of snide comments and my rifles are TAN lol. Won a few "1.0's" over when we helped them with their rigs they were having trouble with. But just by the layout of the range you could tell they were stuck in 1972 and not changing anytime soon!!!! The one range I have come across that seems to be foward thinking about these delineations is SJSC. After 12 or 13 years at CJRPC I have let my membership lapse. If SJSC follows through with all of its plans, this will be the club I join. USANA seemd rather progressive as well but the legal issues need to settle first.

I agree but thats tempered by being broke 3/4 of the time LOL

I like the hanger design. Again it gives the end user more mounting options. For example with the hanger I can bolt a piece of round bar to it and hang it on a rod as a swinger etc etc without putting the rod right in the line of fire. But if squares can significantly reduce the $$$ well I need squares too

NFR my post makes perfect sense if you understand the subject matter.......

...then there is always the possibility that the cops that have this beat know the area and arent willing to get splashed with aids infested blood over a couple of sterno sucking bums that are stabbing each other every other week. Just another possible perspective.

Shoot the hostage! Kidding!!!

Im not an officer but I would say that I dont really care at all what the bystanders are saying because you never know what their motivation is. They could be with the bad guy whichever one that turns out to be. How do you know he is not armed with more than a knife? Thats an assumption that could get you killed when you move in to a safe distance for a knife and find yourself facing a pistol. What you percieve as a lack of actions I see as measured responce based on a quick observation. If no one is actively being stabbed, you have the time to observe and decide the best action. OODA principle if you will. Observe, Orient, Decide, Attack. And this in my opinion is why this symbol is populer amongst those that go in harms way. 1* Most do not consider how much you have to take in quickly to act decisively without ending up with a bag zippered over your face.

I dont see any active stabbing in the video. From the vid you do not know at what point the officers were on scene. Again what if the guy on top was the victim and got the better of his attacker, took the attackers knife and was holding him at knife point waiting for police. Shoot him anyway?

By the way, just an idea. My wife gets a little annoyed with brass all over the dining room table drying. So this season I retired a couple of those front lawn seasonal blow up figures. BING! Idea. I cut off the figure and saved the air blower. Going to use it to make a drying box.

1st, making blanket statements that police are worthless is simply wrong. 2nd, all you cowboys that think you can make the judgement call to end someones life based on 30 seconds of video, thankfully you are not cops. Would it change all of your opinions if you found out later that the guy being stabed just raped and killed the attackers 9 year old daughter? Or that he was in fact the victim but got the better of his attacker? Sure its still wrong but it would have been a greater wrong to kill him if that was the circumstance. YOU CANNOT ASSUME THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF AN EVENT FROM 30 SECONDS OF VIDEO!! There is a million variables to any situation. Since I didnt see active stabbing, I think the officers were correct to procede with caution and reserve based on the video clip alone. If the attacker actively stabbed in the presence of officers, then greater force would have been justified.

Man thats like Ford building a Camaro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"There will be one link of chain welded to the backside of the target for hanging on request." Just a recomendation. Id punch holes instead. It gives the end user options for mounting and I have heard many times that welded mounts never hold up.

Id likely be in!

Ug. Caught the episode last night. Again I had hopes of a good show that went spiraling down in flames. What a bunch of horse crap. Whats funny to me is that after watching the show my impression of them was pure BS. After reading a bit on the previous links, it looks like I was spot on! I wont waste another second watching this show. I never thought I would say that there was a show that makes Sons of Guns look good!!!!! These producers really need a slap upside the head. The scripting and setups are so transparent I feel like Im watching pure fiction. Probably because I am.....

My point is that we are not (usually) talking about barrels shorter than 16". When your talking about an NFA barrel, your talking about what it takes for the ATF to consider it to be one piece, one barrel, a barrel they will now consider to no longer be threaded. Has anyone found anything anywhere from the state that indicated that NJ accepts the ATF methodology and definition of permanantly attached?

Gotta love NJ. The 3 methods are the federally accepted methods for making a barrel shorter than 16 legal. In really it has little correlation with NJ as making a barrel longer is not the goal. We are making a muzzle brake permanantly attached so it cant be swapped with a flash hider. I have not ever been able to find any methodology or description anywhere in NJ statute as to what constitutes permanant. So even using the fedral methods outlined, whats the guaruntee NJ will follow this standard?

I believe the fed req's you quote are for barrels below 16". I believe that a blind pin is a fed accepted method of permanantly attaching a muzzle brake on a barrel over 16". For under, the concern is not the muzzle brake, its barrel length and what constitutes being considered part of the barrel. But Icretainly recomend you everify any info and do what makes you comfortable. A blind pin with a little tig if you felt the need for a weld would likely be the least asthetically offensive.

Do your own research and come to your own conclusions. But I am of the opinion that a blind pin is sufficient unless you have a barrel that is shorter than 16". As to the question of silver solder or braze, I was under the impression that they are the same. (with the understanding that we are not talking about electronic silver solder which is different)

KAC SR15 upper. Very light and easily 1.5

Nothing. I live in NJ