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Remington 700 Wingmaster huh? LOL. As far as a used 870 Wingmaster, I think it really depends on how they look, but the sky is the limit. I would be VERY interested in acquiring an older WIngmaster in good condition and maybe doing a little babying... Remington I love, I really do, but I have personally experienced their quality control issues on all the stuff I have. I am an upgrader and a tinkerer so I didn't send anything back, I used pocket money to upgrade any thing that needed "fixed" but they are NOT what they used to be. Having said that, what they used to be is THE *BEST* and I really would love an old, beautitul and mechanically sound 870 Wingmaster with the rich bluing and in another line of thinking, maybe an old 700 CDL type that was really really nice. You once and a while see them usually in gunshops where people traded them in having inheritied/etc. and they didn't care... I have never bought one but would definitely take the opportunity given the right situation/right price. Especially with the 870, you can replace a lot of stuff ,but a properly and perfectly engineered/machined receiver etc. is just a thing of beauty IMHO.

What is totally absolutely redonkulous was in late Jan or Early Feb my father and I made a trip to Cabelas and really dropped a bundle and bought, 2 really nice large digital camo Cabelas rifle cases for like $75. a piece and 4 of these Blackhawk bags THESE EXACT ONES for $40+ each. Now they're $14 lol . The good news is I can get a couple to cover everything I have and an extra or two bad news is , well, I guess I could have saved a bit. --- i Just checked, the nice ones we got are down to $65 on Cabelas site but yep, sure as sugar, $44.99 for this blackhawk.

Hey I typed out a long explanation but I know some people get really upset at my efforts to educate... I will just make it shorter- the ABSOLUTE ESSENCE OF THE 597 is that you JUST HAVE TO HAVE the Volquartsen upgrades... the "Exact Edge" Extractor and "Target" Hammer .... $20 and $40 respectively... have been $20 and $30 for years, since this time 2010 at least.... they are ESSENTIAL.... The extractor is THE EXACT ISSUE the 597 often has and the target hammer really spruces up the trigger pull and squeeze feel..... Combined they skyrocket the shootability of the rifle and REALLY make the reliability 100% ... those two parts are just SO ESSENTIAL, and when people have problems you try to explain, JUST DO THAT and they sometimes listen sometimes don't. I have been meaning to show this... this is a target from two or three weekends ago, when it was REALLY NICE that Saturday. My father and I went to Ready Aim Fire to shoot the new Saiga 12 as we have been modifying it/upgrading it/and breaking it in (you really gotta make sure your S12 functions right with a proper breakin...fortunately I have been EXTREMELY LUCKY, following my method of as much 00 Buckshot as you can initially followed by as many Federal bulk pack #8 as you can, take it home give it a good lather, rinse, then go repeat and we have not had a SINGLE PROBLEM shooting almost 85% Federal bulk value #8s) ... Anyway I took out the 597 to give it a spring tuneup, because you never know how storage etc. banging around in and out of the closet/safe/etc. traveling mess your zero up etc .etc. This target (same target here but one is closer than the other) is the FIRST MAGAZINE of 10 rounds as I pulled out my rifle. Out of 10, 3 shots have ragged-hole-connected and as you can see, covering easy with a penny ... 5 shots covered with a quarter. I don't know squat about squat but that to me is a pretty decent group.... (Especially for first magazine "cold bore" lol no adjustments no nothing, I walked into a jam packed range, took out the rifle with everyone looking at me (we have some pretty cool looking firearms..our equipment always gets stares) and shot that group [25 yds indoors , 4x magnification <lowest setting> ].

Hey man, I answered your PM in detail.

Palmettos did this to me a week or so ago, maybe it was more than a week, it was my birthday in late February, I found like 5 different Federal .22LR's in stock and 10 different CCI (My two absolute favorite .22LR brands and what I stock the most of and like to shoot the most.) There was actually so many CCI and Federal available I had to make conscious decesions which one or two etc. I was going to buy ( a quantity of )... and actually each one was actually sold out. Then I realized just about everything was sold out that had said available. Worst ever.

So as I have posted a few steps along the way, I have been slowly but surely having fun 'hooking up' my 870 over the last 6 or so months. I had reason to slightly celebrate in October and wound up picking up the Remington 870 Tactical at Dick's Sporting Goods in Fairless Hills, PA... more out of impulse and looking and feeling cool / fun factor than need or real desire... But an hour or two after buying it I realized they were soon releasing an actual 870 Tactical Magpul-edition, which I would have wanted... I bought this with the express intention of Magpul'ing it but didn't know a factory version was about to hit stores. Anyway I Magul'd my Tactical straight away by hooking it up with each and every Magpul accessory and then realizing a single point sling may be awesome for an M4 but on a shotgun , you'd have to have a *real specific* mission for the Mapgul Ms2 on the 870 . So I setup the Blue Force Gear Larry Vickers Tactical Two Point Sling and thought I was totally set... Then I saw that the 870P has a few specific, Police model parts that are easily acquirable and install-able in the 870 regular models so I definitely wanted that. Basically its simple- you need to replace the magazine spring, which I did with an extra upgraded Scattergun Technologies Tactical Magazine Spring & Magazine Follower. In my case the standard 870P Police spring would not work as its designed for the 870P 4+1 not the 2-shot extension on the Tactical 6+1. This was obviously an extremely easy upgrade and at once you notice how the difference feels...the follower is MUCH better than the orange nub included from the factory, its bright yellow green and its got a tail for engaging the spring and therefore doesn't catch or hiccup... and iT DOESN'T remove a shell. (A lot of people in the Mossberg 930 situation have reported losing a shell from installing the Mossberg follower... I was lucky in that I did not either but its a situation you dont want to be in..reliability increase or capacity increase?) ... Anyway this was a great upgrade. Next was the Carrier Latch Spring, or Carrier dog follower spring, which affects the way the shell lifter responds to pressure. As the 870P is designed for heavier, full power loads it was packaged with a spring that increases the resistance on the lifter, reducing the likelyhood of a failure during feeding or operating forward/back/up.down on the action. Really a quite simple install and quite cheap, As was the 870 non-MIM extractor. Possibly the 'most important' upgrade, the express models of 870 use a powdered metal extractor which ... is made from powdered metal and plastic beads. You do the mental math. the Non-MIM extractor is much more 'full-bodied' in your hand and is obviously a big time operating upgrade. Again simple install. Last I installed the Wilson Combat (Scattergun Technologies, Scattergun Tech is Wilson Combat) oversized safety.... More of a "why-not?" upgrade, again was not a terribly difficult install, I had the trigger assembly out for the carrier latch spring anway, took 5 mins. So now I have completed the Police Upgrades for my 870PTacMag ... the only thing the 870P has now I do not is the beautiful and much better Parkerized finish. I knew within a WEEK of owning my 870 how terrible *TERRIBLE* the finish you get on an Express is. Powdercoat or whatever they call it is about right, its like pouring powder on the gun and when you rub your hanfds on it it rubs off. I figure, I am not even going to bother going to war with Remington to maybe get it sent back to them, maybe I am lucky and they re-blue-it as junk as before, and I am out my gun a few months for not much return. I was going to send it in to AIP Tactical for Police upgrading and Parkerizing.... you guys would *LOVE* LOVE LOVE to hear *that* story lol , but instead I'm probably going for a Cerakote from the gentleman in Edison I read about in the Rifles forum. And as it happens the 870 magpul edition has a Cerakote from the factory so I would really be completely 870 Tactical Magpul Police -kitted out then, which is cool. As long as the Cerakote works and lasts I will be happy. Ok hope this helps if anyone is an 870 owner thinking about upgrades.

yeah I am not understanding, all i did was explain that , OP says, "So many options some are tritium some are not" . I was simply trying to explain They All are tritium, some are tritium and fiber optic. I think I was further trying to say, i would never buy a simply tritium one (Like the TA01NSN for example which I believe is an extremely popular model by sales) because its still like $1000+ and it's lacking the fiber optic which would be a requirement for me. I certainly have not played with all of them out there nor did I make any claim near to that. I've used a couple and looked at a couple others when I was interested in buying , one time I was planning on starting an AR collection and would have added an AR with an ACOG on it. My problem is that while an AR with an ACOG (say 4x32 model) is a great rifle *in general* I would feel the need for an AR w/ an Aimpoint an AR w/ the ACOG an an AR /w a real scope , for each different use. I could not resolve my expensive tastes so I gave up and frankly started collecting shotguns and my other stuff in general.. [And then came close to buying the 7.62x39mm ACOG 3x but instead of another AK and ACOG I went with the R700 I bought and have been working on the past few months.) I know you're an expert man, I know this, I am not trying to argue with you , or one up you , or disagree with you, or anything. I simply was trying to add to the gentlemans knowledge by explaining the lighting systems of the ACOG and my small amount of personal experience and opinion . I happen to have liked the 4x ACOG I just think its an extremely expensive piece of kit with a fairly specific purpose and further I would also feel the need for the RMR/Docter on top if I did buy one, which I'm not but again, it would be like a $2500 optic on top of whatever the rifle costs. For me and my family, and therefore my money, I am extremely happy with an AK and a shotgun for close range and a scoped rifle for long range and don't really have a big personal need for a 'medium range' weapon like an AR w/ ACOG. If I had unlimited money *absolutely I would * no question. But I have to pick and choose and it didn't work for me. I sold my AR and probably would not had I known what December had in store but.

All of them are tritium illuminated (*except the newest model that came out a year or two ago "The Battery ACOG") - the deal is some of them are only tritium illuminated and in the day its plain clear glass (like the TA01NSN included in the SOPMOD base kit) and some of them [arguably the better/more desirable/ones you're probably wanting) are illuminated with tritium and fiber optic... you can see the 'fiber optic tube' aka 'light pipe' (Wikipedia will call it a Light Pipe lol) across the sight in yellow/red/green color... this basically is catching and amplifying ambient light / daylight during normal hours and brightening the reticle from the fiber optic tube during the day and at night / lower light level hours it uses the tritium pellet to illuminate the reticle. They're all expensive it's really a matter in my mind anyway of saying "Do I want to spend a $1000-$1500 plus for the base model / bare bones or do i want to just Buy Once Cry Once and get the $1500-$2000 and have an absolutely awesome top of the line optic 4x32 BAC [bindon Aiming Concept thats another lesson for another day] Fiber Optic/ Tritium ACOG that will most likely last as long as me and my rifle last if not longer. For me its no question I would be buying the 4x32 BAC Fiber Optic/Tritium ones. Then its a matter of checking out the different reticle choices and see which reticle/ bullet drop compensating picture you like the best ... there will be a bunch of choices (Assuming you're talking about a 5.56/.223 rifle) so you can see what looks best to you, and in what color you like best (I'd probably go green, but red is very popular ,yellow is supposedly for low light usage but I am not rich enough to have a dedicated 'low light rifle and low light ACOG' for dusk shooting lol.) - of course the higher magnification models are much more expensive.... BUT- the 5.5x50 ACOG is not a standard AR-15 sight its an extremely specific application and the 6x models are huge sized much more expensive and also for specific roles on specific weapons, not your typical 14.5"/1.5" AR/M4 style carbine optic.

I was going to say pretty much the same thing, I am not sure there would be actual recoil or muzzle climb to reduce. However, they might look cool, I"ve wondered that myself...but my 597 nor my 15-22 are not threaded so, they stay crowned.

I had a Benelli Supernova with the pistol grip stock in 2010... I have quit drinking and on St Patricks Day I went out gun shopping because I knew I would have spent $500 that night anyway, so I found a tactical black Supernova 'SteadyGrip' (pistol-grip-stock) w/ a 24" fiber optic barrel ... it was a $619 shotgun I got for less than $350 out the door w/ a soft bag case and cleaners etc. Literally could not say no. I LOVED IT, Benelli makes SUCH A Silky-smooth shotgun its amazing. BUT- the barrel was a little long for combat/home defense and I'm not a hunter, and the stock was substantial and I'm not a big guy. THE GOOD NEWS, is since you have a Supernova, it's modular and you can remove the stock, change it , and replace with the other options, the bad news is you have to buy them, and Benelli accessories are notoriously expensive. Sometimes you are best served looking online at the BenelliUSA forums/eBay etc. and seeing if you can't make a deal. There is the conventional stock and the conventional stock ComfortTech system which I believe has a shim system w/ it that adjusts the drop and the Length of Pull. there is also of course the Mythical Benelli Collapsible Stock but those have been selling for more than the actual shotgun... I remember a few years ago the Supernova Tactical ComfortTech/Ghost Ring Sights was like $449 and the Collapsible Stock was going for $500 flat.

I'm telling you, now in all fairness it was over a month ago now, so I have no idea what they have now. There was two of them, when I say I seen it for $1500 I thought they added a zero accidentially. Then I saw the $3500 M&P15 Sport w/ an EoTech. I realized what was going on. It's called, "You suck and we hate you -- so we're gonna try to gouge the sheit outta you." And the problem is, the store up the street is soooo entirely dooshbaggerific , I would LOVE to be able to do all my shopping at Sportsmans but. How can you justify that type of stuff? Hey do what you gotta do but don't expect me to abide that shtuff.

Basically it's $400 about the best you can do. I saw PRO's for like $370 once on a super-special Deal Of The Day type thing but it was sold out before I even got to the website let alone started processing an attempt to buy one (if I had the dough at the time, that's another story.). but when you consider what you get for $400, its pretty much 'full size', comes with a fine, serviceable mount IMHO (Although there are the LaRue / ARMS/ ETC. type 'snobs' aka enthusiasts who won't go w/o their LaRue etc. type mounts), its' night vision compatible, can put a kill flash on, has the newest battery life technology etc. it's really a STEAL considering the M2/M3/M4 ML2 ML3 are all significantly more expensive and also require a $100-$200 mount , it's probably the best overall Quality-to-Price Ratio aka Value-for-dollar-in-Scrappy-speak in non magnified optics.

Yeah man, In. Mothertrucking. Sane. Also had a S&W M&P 15 Sport w/ a regular type EOTech on their for $3500. By my calc, its the $599 version of the rifle, and $599 version AT WORST for the reflex sight.. So $1200 lets make that $1500. HECK even $2000. Naw man, we want $3500 son! Crazy.

Thanks but when I checked it out it didn't really work the way I want it in my head, I am referring to this type of mount. http://www.opticspla...wide-rings.html If you check out this thread on HK Pro you can see the Aimpoint PRO with this mount and how it looks on an HK USC http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/156964-optic-ump-hk-website-3.html ... That is actually how i started looking at the Aimpoint PRO's... in October I had some dough and I came close to buying an HK USC but I could not find one at a decent price. everyone I talked to wanted to charge an arm and a leg when they were going for $1200 less than 6 months prior. I guess everyone did the right thing because in a month they most likely skyrockted like everything else. But Anyway on that site you can see a few beautiful USC/UMP pics with an Aimpoint PRO w/ the low ring style mount and it really looks not only badass but is perfect imho for using the PRO On a forward mount/quad rail on a Saiga 12 / AK type rifle . I don't think the included mount can do this but if it can just show me, I would be happy to save that money of course.

I have two Aimpoint Micros and as far as I am concerned they are the best money I've spent on my firearms. They are absolutely amazing. However I Can see the attraction of the Aimpoint PRO and will probably add one or two down the road because of their incredible value. I would add though you might need better or at least different mounts. For example , If I add an Aimpoint to the new Saiga 12, I would really prefer a Micro for its perfect size and incredibly light weight. BUT A PRO Will work, you just need to buy a low mount at the cost of like $77 bucks. But $477 is still significantly less than $600 and of course you get the larger diameter glass, you get night vision compatibility (On the most expensive $700- 700+ T-1 does that in Micro line) , and you also get the more substantial mount with a PRO than you get with a Micro (but in that case you'd need to change). For someone wanting to pop a red dot sight on like an AR-15 type rifle, its the best of the best value you can do.

Sportsmans Center had two , $1400 and $1500 about 1 full month ago. Used, nothing very special about them.

When I got the S12 this fall , I spent a bit of time buying stuff for it over the next month or two. I initially bought like 6? ProMags from MidwayUSA. The next week Newtown happened, everyhing shot up in price and then still sold out. In the end of Dec or first week of Jan I found regular S12 factory mags online , I figured, now or never, I bought 10 additional factory 5 rounders which were basically perfect. They might not be 6 round mags but for the price and effort, I am perfectly happy with 16 perfectly-good-perfectly-NJ-legal 5 rounders. I like your ambition but just seems like a lot of time work effort and of course money for slight return, know what i mean bro

Yeah it sucked , I'm not sure if it was you? or another gentleman? that said I would not like it , I did not read that until I went out, then came back to say it was true... Yeah really tough, Was not really any positive and a bunch of negatives ... But really no harm no foul- I didn't really buy it for this gun,,, I bought the AFG2 and a RVG at the same time and let my father pick which he liked for the new Saiga 12, he picked the regular styled RVG so initially I said, fine, AFG2 will go on our AK when I get to it as a project.... And exactly like what happened with an extra Aimpoint Micro I had bought years back, it was sitting around, I said, why not at least Try It on the new 870... And it wasn't so great, indeed did smash my hand up. Now when I bought two Aimpoint Micros, used one on an AR and one for the 15-22, but was waiting for a mount, I threw it on my M930SPX and it was one of the best firearms decisions I ever made, its almost like cheating , 'target acquistion' is amazingly fast and actual aiming/bullseye'ing with buckshot is just filthy. And I would never have known had I not just said, "Well its here, it doesn't hurt to try...." So I would definitely agree with the person who initially said it would not work out, yeah, it was not comfortable nor controllable for me at all. let the record reflect, I'm no means a muscle man -- Someone 6' and 200+ lbs. might have absolutely no problem using the AFG/2 with the recoil of a shotgun. That is not me so it came right off.

Really really nice man, I am in the process of the next steps on my 700 and this looks really really nice. I'm sure a pretty penny though? But really awesome looking. How do you like that Bushnell Elite 4200? I almost bought one a long time ago for of all things a .22LR lol, MidwayUSA had a huge Bushnell closeout sale and they had Elite 3200 and 4200s half off, and a $800 4200 was like $479... it was very tempting but I said to myself, WTF are you really going to do with that thing on your 597 lol.

Just wanted to say- I was all over this, I collect the Gerber Bear Grylls knives and stuff , just a bit of an inexpensive thing for me to collect, and I usually just pick up a 20-30 dollar item at Dick's each time I go, this was perfect... BUT I had a wierd felling when I saw it orders from China etc. and I googled it, and a lot of stuff came up saying people never got their item, had big time charges on their cards, ppl who had used VIsa/MC debit cards had their accts wiped out of money, phoney tracking numbers emailed to them, etc. To be fair, it was about half and half , half said it was absolutely fine and had ordered before nor problem, but the other half of people had serious problems, so I could not do it, sometimes you just have to go with your gut. I am curious to know if you have before ordered from them and had no problems (I am thinking you have bec. how else would you know of it right?)

Good for you buddy hope you like it and it makes you happy. I would highly highly recommend seriously considering getting a real stock of some sort, be it a pistol-grip-stock or a conventional shoulder stock. *much more effective, useful, comfortable, and practical* with an actual stock rather than a pistol grip only stock. Highly highly recommended . You do not need to spend a lot on one either.

Congratulations very much bro. That is probably the best pump shotgun you could have bought. Several times I have went out looking for that and if I found it would have bought it but came home empty. I absolutely think it's one of if not the best combat / defense shotgun there is. You will be very happy. Now here is all you need to do- When you bring it home give it a good cleaning. Many ppl will say "It's a [Mossberg/Glock/AK/fill in the blank] so you don't need to clean it just shoot it!!!" So don't listen. Give it at least a decent once-over. Take it to the range for proper break in . All you need is a box or two of full power 00 Buckshot (I buy the 15 rd Winchester SuperX Value Pack 00 Buck from Walmart for like 11.99 or 12.99) run a box or two of full power 00 Buck to begin with. Then as many cheap birdshots as you can, I usually buy a 100rd value pack Federal Target from walmart also, $23.99 when you're lucky, ... they come in 100 rd boxes of 4 -25rd boxes inside... Run as many of those through... and then take it home, clean it up real good... and Repeat as many times as you can for comfort/reliability... Just treat it right to begin with it and it will treat you right for a long long time. I followed this exact thing I mentioned with my Mossberg 930 SPX , and it has never given me ONE SINGLE ROUND of trouble. Anyway congrats bro post pics.

You know I just wanted to say, you're actually right on there. I did not really see this before nor pay attention and am not sure if I push forward or anything like that... But, I did notice... man. Terrible using the AFG and shooting. We took out the new Saiga 12 yesterday and in between messing with it and the 17 new mags we had to play with, I also brought the new 870 TacMag for a little additional breaking in. Absolutely terrible using the AFG on it, really mashes your hand. I am not the biggest guy in the world, so maybe a muscle man might be able to manhandle the gun a little different and be fine.... But I am not one of those...And man, after maybe two full-mags of the 870, hand was mashed and hurtin. definitely came off. You were totally right, maybe others will take notice man. I believe in credit where credit is due and all that, and what you said is absolutely true.

Hey I wanted to post a few more pics of my new 870... So as many know I have the 870 (Express) Tactical. .. to which I added the Magpul SGA forend and stock, also a Blue Force Vickers Tactical sling, etc. Yesterday on a trip to Cabelas with my Dad I noticed the Magpul MOE Rail sections, and I had already a new black AFG2 because when I bought the Saiga 12 , I got my Dad the Magpul RVG and AFG2 to let him pick which one. So when he picked the RVG 'regular' fore grip I had the AFG2 to use. I picked up the 11 section MOE Rail for my 870 SGA handguard, and added it to the shotgun as you can see. (its a pain in the head to get the rail on, then you realize you can't the the AFG2 because it won't angle onto the rail, so you have to remove everything and start again, sheesh). Also I picked up the Low-sized Cheek Riser kit, which actually comes with TWO add on cheek risers. I used the higher of the two in the low kit. You might want the High kit if you were say scoping the rifle for slug use etc. But I did think it was really nice they included two sizes per kit so you can further customize. well Anyway you can check it out. My 870 now is like absolutely customized to my preferences and needs, I love it. Love it. \

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