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Dude there is a LONG story probably still on this forum a few times of how I tried to getand was promised by the president of Zastava a set of wooden furniture for our PAP and could not. That is BEAUTIFUl, the nicest wood on AKs you can find IMHO.

So Turbo you're sayin a skeleton/thumbhole stock is good to go/ Because I just don't seem to trust Red Jacket I hate will and would not want a red jacket gun to own, and i can see them screwing up a minor detail like my freedom with the laws.... But I would trust this board for clarification, thx.

LOL at calling GLOCK of all people thiefs. They were called idiots for doing what was incomprehensible for a long time. and then they you know, took over the world with it. This new thing would be cool if we lived in a state you could just walk in and buy a handgun (Like, you know, Pennsylvania? The rest of the country? Etc.) In which case I would have a collection, Glock's especially, and this would be nice. now? I don't do .45 so I see no reason, if i DID do .45 and wanted a Glock I would be much happier with one of the larger .45's and a SF, maybe even the slimline as a backup. This is like a wasted of a solution to a problem no one knew they had.

so can we do any of those or not?? Because I would order one right now if we could do that in NJ. I lik the Arsenal Bulgarian but am not doing the 'conversion' withthe trigger group and stuff right now... but i would do the first one, the factory skeleton stock, or the bottom which is very like the HK USC stock, i would use them definitely. The first one up top looks like a terrible thing, I pride myself on my firearms sharp and snazzy looks and I would not own that, and would laugh at the person who had it at the range.

Anyone need or have interest in the magaznes I might have a bunch to sell

A few questions HAs anyone found mags or is in need/want of mags? I think I might have found a source of magazines, I will report back but I am looking so see if there is any interest if I can get a bunch of them (Single stack 10 round , what I believe to be factory magazines). Also how is everyone liking theirs? I have one (Well gave it to my Dad for his bday) but it has basically been a safe queen and showpiece for him and it's not seen the range really much. He kind of just shows off to his friends what he got from me. I had bought myself one as well at the same time, but my pup needed a ton of expensive tests and I had to sell it and other stuff for immediate cash for the vet bill. I remember at first everyone loved them but htne a ton of people started selling theirs off ... some because it was not really convertable or so easy to change stock and pistol grip... How are they running for the people who actually use theirs? And does anyone have one they want to get rid of, I would consider it... If anyone has a brand new wood stock I would definitely take it on general principle, if anyone else has one let me know, Thanks

there are two "870 Tactical" express models- the one I have and we are talking about I believe does indeed come with the XS Sights picatinny rail, XS Ghost Ring Sight (very very tiny one , low profile) and a XS Big Dot up front. The 870 Express 'Grey' has a nicer looking grey battleship appearance but no sights other than the little bead up front... http://www.remington.com/en/products/firearms/shotguns/model-870/model-870-express-tactical-grey.aspx http://www.remington.com/en/products/firearms/shotguns/model-870/model-870-express-tactical.aspx If you get the less expensive model, Grey, the first thing I would do for sights is buy the $75 Trijicon 'bead' tey have, its a really big fiber optic/jeweled sight tube that goes on over your bead and really looks like it captures and magnifies the ambient light to gvie you a much nicer sighting poiint for a decent price. Congrats I hope you love yours as much as I love mine, which is lying next to me about to protect me and mine while we go to bed.

It's absolutely awesome , I am loving it. I bought an 870 specifically to put the Magpul on it. I know they make a new 870 Tactical Magpul model but it wasn't available so I did it myself (the actual model supposedly has Cerakote finish on it, mine has the terrible Express finish). I actually was on another tab looking at a light for mine, I am going to go with a Streamlight TLR-1HP myself, MidwayUSA was all sold out. But yeah, Magpul has a Pic rail pieces you can attach directly to the MOE forend and then add your attachments to those rails. It's really simple I did it on my AR-15 MOE forend/hand guard. I am sure you would love yours. I love mine.

at CMO I walked in in mid - to -late October, dressed in a leather jacket , jeans, Timberland boots, and a hoodie (Black hoodie w/ black Timberland nice leather jacket) I went in to buy something. I just had got my settlement for a WC surgery and I had some money and wanted to just buy a new toy right then and there, nothing 2-3G's but a shotgun I figured, say $500 bucks, maybe $700 if it was the top of the line model etc. it was empty, no one would help me. The guy who I thought was nice, and would later be absolutely disrespected and called me a liar to my face (When I said, you don't remember me being in here two days ago buying a Remington 700, now I am buying Saiga 12, two days ago I was in buying a Remington 700, you came over to interject when you saw I was going to also buy a $1000 scope you came to tell me your opinion... AND YOU DON'T REMEMBER ME AT ALL?? -- "I NEVER TALKED TO YOU IN MYW LIFE YO ARE A LIAR!!!!! "Etc. ) Anyway this guy is doing nothing, I try to get his attention, nothing, wouldn't do anything ,etc. I ask someone else, Do you have any Mossberg 590A1's ? The guy says, yeah we have a few, walks away. I am waiting for this sparky or lucky or somethng named like that, he looks at me still nothing. I thgen take out a carefully banded and brand new from the bank package of $5000 (all $100's banded nicely) and hold them in my hand while looking at the shotgun section. He says, get this, from the other end where he is doing nothing and not helping me, "OH YOU ARE NOT JUST LOOKING????". LOL. And what if I WAS? But now that I took out a wad of money, I can get help? Then he was rude because I did not buy the 590A1 they had. They had a few 590's and one 590A1 but not the 590A1 models I wanted ( 20" bbl, 9-shot, ghost ring sights etc.) He just couldn't understand, WHY DONT YOU JUST TAKE THIS ONE, it says 590A1. LOL. Dude, just lol. I'm out. I went to Dick's in Fairless Hills and the two younger college aged kids could not help me and serve/etc. me enough, and an hour and a half later I was walking ou with the new Remington 700 Tactical which became my project. BUT- it shows you how you said dressed in a suit etc. YOu'd be suyrprised how people's attitudes etc. change when you are dressed/showing yourself dsifferently.

Yeah I must have worded that wrong, I don't need to find one because I bought one... I got lucky , they not only just had got one but they got 2 so I got one literally new in box, we opened the box right in front of me to confirm serial number but it had been still wrapped up sealed in the yellow factory wrap-paper. I also then spent a lot of dough on magazines, now I admit I bought ProMag magazines but I think I bought 6 or 7 of them. Even now they are basically impossible to find and going for a crazy amount. the Sucks part I fully intended to buy another 6 or 7 mags in Jan after things settled down (I spent like $2G's on this Christmas present all said so I needed to relax a little money wise) and get more accessories but then it happened and since SHTF I will prob not get any more mags at any price normally associated with Sanity. I am lucky, I got the Saiga 12 new, my Dad is exicted very very much he got the coolest home defense/combat shotgun that takes magazines etc. and we are pretty good setup with enough magazines to defend the house BUT- we would have been buying a lot lot more if not for SHTF. For the person who just wanted a Saiga 12 recreation ally/casually and was waiting for after Christmas .... man that sucks for them.

I completely agree - I bought a high end Nikon Monarch for my own 700, a 5-20x44mm Side Focus BDC reticle... and IMHO it is amazing, AMAZINGLY value, and clarity is just awesome. PLUS I hesitated from buying it one night, the next morning I got a Cyber Monday deal, 25% OFF PLUS FREE SHIPPING *FROM THE SAME PLACE* I almost ordered from the night before. GOD BLESS my little doggie who needed to go out ASAP and prevented me from finishing the order;

I bought mine in November before SHTF for like $700ish at CMO. I went in on Election Day to buy a bolt action tactical rifle for a sniper rifle build project. I had narrowed down my toy to either an AK or a Sniper Rifle. I went with the sniper rifle because I have an AK if necessary (got one for father's 60th bday a few years back) and I had no long range or precision capability Election Day NICS is closed so I went back next day. After buying the Remington 700 AAC-SD I went back about 3 days later and bought the Saiga 12 they had... They had had .410's for a while but said every time they got a 12 gauge it sold the day it went on the shelf, so I said, THATS IT, I want that and it will make a great 'Christmas Present'. I paid $700 i think maybe a little more. IF ONLY I HAD KNOWN I would have bought the 2 or 3 they had in stock ... it's hysterical now, people are asking for $1500 plus other stuff right? Did I see an ad asking for $1200 cash plus a M590A1 + ammo or something like that?

It's not so much in my opinion the 887 has bad quality control (Although Remington quality control as a whole has been very stigmitized since its purchase and its change to batch inspection rather than unit/firearm individual inspections). The 887 *is not* a Remington 870. The actual shotgun and parts are completely different on the inside and barely on the out. (The 11-87 is often called an 870 with a gas system. The parts list are are least mutually understandable. ) The 887 is a whole new basterd child fo a terrible wedding that spawned a Chucky-like seed of the 887. If you were to go to the website and pull up the parts list you will see how they are not at all interchangeable and the 887 is a completely new build but a completely worse build . The 870 was pretty much perfect from the get go, minor things here and there like the flex-tab anti jam tilt/lifter and improvements on the cosmetic things here and. The 887 was trying to compete with the Benelli Supernova and its not in the same league as the 870 let alone the Supernova.

That's how I look at it, if I get to point and laugh at a person while I'm picking it up it would make the whole thing worth while - QUESTION THO- Do you have to specific exact amounts, will there be extras in other words/ I say two cases but maybe I get down and decide I'll take 3, 4 5 ? maybe would there be a prob? I am going out tomorrow and breaking in/trying out the new Saiga 12 I got my Dad for Christmas with him, and I plan on going through at least a case of 7 1/2 and hopefully we'll be starting out with as many Winchester Super-X value pack 15-rd boxes he will spring for at Walmart before we go, and I have a thing about having a couple-few thousand 12 gauge shells at all times available so if this is a good deal I might want to pick up more.

Uh yeah, scroll back a page or two dude, I've had mine for a bit buddy . Welcome to the club though.

I would be interested in this. If you have connections to do this would 00 Buck (Or possibly plain, rifled slugs but I am most interested in 00 Buck) be possible as well?

That looks really really nice- You know I Was going to get the FDE because I wanted to have something/a look no -one or at least not a lot of people would have , and I assumed it would look really nice, but could not find any good pictures so I held off and went standard black. Seeing yours confirms my thoughts it would and does look great bro.

whatever man. I know you're pretty respected here and I don't want to argue with you, that's about the least-correct attempt at an analogy I've seen in a while , but I am not gonna keep arguing about it.

So if you refuse to match the price would you also refuse to take a transfer from the place?

Very nice, obviously it looks like a real deal AR... would easily mistake it for a .223 buddy (In a good way I mean.)

You know I never chimed in on this because I did not want to seem biased, but I wanted to add- I am the new owner of a Remington 700 and for me it's exactly what I wanted , it's a tactical style civilian 'sniper rifle' build if you will. Exactly what I wanted, it's already pretty awesome but the sky is the limit as far as upgrading. I don't plan on it but even if I wanted to change the barrel in the future, not a problem. I can upgrade the stock, trigger, trigger group/etc. , someday I might decide I want a 20MOA rail, etc. The Browning is a beautiful rifle designed for hunting. There are Remington 700s designed for hunting and for beautiful looks, not all of them are. All the Brownings are beautiful. I seriously liked the A-Bolt so much just to have for a hunting rifle but I really am never planning on hunting, and certainly don't need AN ADDITIONAL rifle for hunting in addition to my R700. BUT If I did. and wanted a showpiece, Browning A-Bolt (The X-Bolt is the newer neater) would be it. Of course, I would most likely just pick up a Savage 10 - .'Trophy Hunter' .308 w/ Nikon scope, 22" bbl, Walnut stock w/ beautiful color and checkering - $542 AbleAmmo .com -- that is SUCH a nice rifle at SUCH a cheap price... If it the browning? Nope. Is it worth every penny IMHO? Absolutely. And it's AT LEAST double for those Brownings. And I have a comparable Savage, my MK II GXP .22LR is basically the same thing in a miniature .22LR package, it is so beautiful and so classy... and it was like $150. The Browning's are total showpieces and beautiful weapons but almost overkill living in NJ.

Hey I hear you that you get what you pay for and Ultimak is the best but there has to be a happy medium out there. And yeah I need a quad rail, I gave the S12 to my old man for Christmas, and he is psyched and wants to do it up, we are planning on an optic up top, a Streamlight TLR-1HP on one side, a green laser (maybe the Lasermax Genesis ) on the other side, and a foregrip (Prob the Magpul AFG but maybr somthing else) on bottom, so the four sides on the quad rail would be pretty useful. Now I am not being rude here , but other than the opinions to get Ultimak, is there any others you know of guys or all you know of is the Ultimak?

Yes sir I also have a ProStaff BDC on my Savage MK II. Honestly the SpotOn Nikon Hunting program might be the most valuable thing in the firearms internet genre. It is amazing how you can type in your scope and load (Say I am using 36gr JHP CCI MiniMags today) and want to zero at 25 yds for a 100 yd zero, then it shows how the 4 dots below represrent all different ranges, its amazing, if I have accurate range info I can simply place the proper dot on the target and hit it every time. And as you pointed out about the lens background, thats what people don't seem to understand, Nikons Lens technology is like one of if not the best of the best, their scopes are their afterthought, if you have the absolute best lenses and lens technology/lens engineers, you might have a pretty good shot at having some of the best scopes.

I wanted to get my Dad a S-12 for Christmas, I bought it in November, and then in early December I bought 7 ProMag magazines from MidwayUSA and a case mixed of the Winchester military 00 Buck and Federal Power-Shok Rifled Slugs... I am EXTREMELY happy I spent all that money because half of it has tripled in price, the other half is unavailable, and he LOVED it so , I am psyched! If I had realized I would have bough a Saiga 7.62x39 and a .308 as well on general principle.

Hey I might have asked this /posted this before but I can't recall, so forgive me for a potential re-do... I am interested in getting a quad rail for a Saiga 12, I assumed I would be able to buy a Midwest Industries but it looks like they make quad rails for all the Saiga rifles, the Yugo/PAPs etc, even making one for Vepr now, but not Saiga-12s? I would really prefer not going the Ultimak route, its like $100+ for the top rail, plus $220+ for the other 3 sides / tri rail. I know Ultimak is the best, but when you factor in I need this rail but then am adding a Streamlight, a Lasermax, an Aimpoint/EOTech, and an AFG, I would really rather not spend $350 on the rail/handguard itself. Anyway is there a solution to this I just haven't found? Thanks.