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Okay, many of us have probably seen this place on the History Channel or some other network. I was recently asked about it and I have many reservations and thoughts about this community of affluent survivialists pooling their resources for a Doomsday situation. Pros Nice Furniture and amenidities Lengthy list of 'professional services' Lots of Water, Food, Medicine, dentistry, other essentials Pre-fab Community Cons Immediate Target for the Goverment's War Powers Act to 'commandeer' the facility for thier own use. ie. UN, local Government, FEMA, etc. Because of thier poor planning they will kick you out. Money can't buy true friendship / community bonds / 'brotherhood'. Anyone who has served knows you will put yourself in harms way to save a friend or 'brother'. Can money buy that type of loyality? NO. How do you get there when SHTF is pending? You know that all the roads and choke points will be hazardous. Most situations have little lead time with the exception of weather or 'rising' oceans. Typically if you have 72 hours notice, I don't care if you have a private jet, (which I think they have their own runway), they may not be enough time. If you can't get there on half a tank of gas forget it. Why a half? You might have to come back. Stir crazy...just sitting in a vertical submarine waiting will drive you nuts. What about communicable diseases if they become airborne in that silo? http://www.terravivos.com/ Me, I don't have the coin for adminisstraiton and would rather die facing / fight the enemy then cooped up with a bunch of affluent folks. Thoughts and commentary welcomed on this one.

70 Chevelle nice. My buddy got rid of his 69 GTO and bought a 70 Chevelle SS...5+ year restoration. My other buddy bought a 70 Camaro from the orginal owner with all the paper work with about 60k miles on it. It is now at the shop having a frame off restoration and a serious mill and tranny put in, won't tell me until it is done. His other toy is a 500+hp Porsche...and yea, he drives like it like he stole it. Wall Street nut...but a regular guy.

Depending on the mileage on the Ram, I might be right. Nice stable. I haven't liked Camaro's since the very early 70's, but the current models I happend to like a lot. As far as those two wheelers, well, I've got a 99 Harley Dyna, 78 Triumph Bonneville that I have owed since 81, 2004 Kawasaki KLR650 and my beloved 72 Rupp Roadster 2 that I have owned since 74. I tend to buy quality and keep it. My cars, well, I have a few toys worth more then their book value. Thanks for all your input. Looks like I found a source that has the Sig for under $2k. For a grand or more less then some of the other options, it is very tempting.

Damn Shane, you have a years' tution at an Ivy League you are looking thru. All nice choices. Having fun here...is your daily ride / commuter vehicle worth more then this optics collection and the 308 they sit on?

Tactical - I'm guessing you mean as a civilian operator / contractor? I've done some stateside EP work and IIRC, the contractors typically where issued some standardized crap by their company in the 762x39 or 556 flavor. I've heard nothing but good things about Lewis. Shane - the optics thing has plagued me for years. If I am going top shelf with the rifle, I will be spending good money on several optic systems for this. Primary something around the 1.5/2x to 7/8x with a BDC or illuminated Mil-Dot. A NV Gen2+ / 2x and some nice glass in the 4/5x -12/15x range. Not a huge fan of 50mm bells. Just way too much surface area to reflect back at your target. One Giant Squid Eye starting at you will get noticed. The funny thing is, on my hunting 308 bolt gun, I have had the same Bushnell 3200 in 3x9 for at least 15 years and can't justify replacing it. Simple duplex that has a 2.88 MOA distance from the dot down the fine hair before it goes thick which puts me at about 1" high at 300 yrds with a 200y zero. That covers about 99% of all hunting conditions east of the Mississippi. My point is, we all tend to over anal-ize everything.

I hear ya, but someone before putting it in the box should've pulled that bad apple.

Good quality brass with consistent case weights for us reloaders.

Interesting read on POF. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_126/567423_POF_USA_P_308_Review.html

The CQB would only be a secondary role. Certainly not considering having this hanging on a single point doing something like manning a check point. I never mentioned weight because I know that it will be heavy. FWIW, I take a nightly stroll of about 2.5 to 4 miles carrying a 4' section of iron pipe filled with lead shot that weighs in at 24lbs. Why?...keep those muscles in shape to hump a heavy rifle and to make my walk a true work out ala CrossFit (lite) style. Other times, I do my walk with my 'training' pack on that weighs a little over 40lbs that contains 3 gallons of water for that sloshing effect and a few barbell plates and my faux rifle. My neighbors / police are very used to seeing me walk around at night. I just tell everyone that I have 3 daughters and need to be ready. LaRue...nothing especially for or against them. I have a few of their mounts and am content with them. Handled the SCAR at the Police Expo in AC and when I was in Mexico City at thier Police / Military Expo when I was a presenter. Nice, but, I really didn't feel it when I was fondling it. Yea, the SR25 is out and from some of the reports I've read some time again, they aren't that great in dirty conditions without regular maintenance. The EMC might be a different animal that the older models. Had a quick moment...that POF seems to met almost all of my desired features. I just need to vet them.

Looks like Les Baer's octagon'ish reciever. Fluted barrel, nice touch. I'll have to look into it later in the day.

Thanks for all the comments and thought provoking remarks. I'm looking for the holy grail of course, 5'6", 34D-26-34, mute...no wait not that wish. Shane - A shorter range DMR with the right optics say max 600 meters. But having the carbine format will allow for CQB if needed sporting a dot that is compatible with a 3x zoom or NV. I will look into some of the other 308's, but quality and service is paramount.

Yea I am learning towards the piston system on the Sig. I won't buy anything that has to do with DPMS, especially in 308. I've seen way too many problems and quality control issues first hand to even consider a DPMS, especially thier magazines.

I wasn't even considering the steel stuff in a 308...yikes. How does it handle surplus, match, hunting ammo etc? As far as Sex Appeal, to me the M1A is the schnizzle across the board. But the practical side of me wants that long continous rail with my optics right over the bore and close to my eye. If I got a Scout Squad, I'd spend alot more $$$ putting quad rails and other junk on it and then it looses its appeal to me. I like the M1A's bone stock, no optics. But, the eyes are getting older and they can't see what lurks in the night like Night Optics can.

I had a boating accident and my lathe is in the lake.

Greetings from just south of you.

Greetings from the waistline of Passaic Cty.

I am considering getting a 16" Carbine in 308. Years ago I had an AR10T 24"HB that was a tack driver but very ammo sensitive, so I sold it. I want reliability. And at the time Armalite mags were around $75 a pop...talk about rape. So, I have read the Armalite had gotten better with the AR10's and more reasonably priced mags and even some after market friendly magazine. Armalite also offers a variety of uppers for thier AR10 lowers, 260 Remington, 300 WSM and other flavors. But it is not a piston system. Sig 716...stupid lead times right not. Uses P-Mags and is well, Sig quality. I love M1A's, but, I am so trained on the AR platform, that keeping my muscle memory for stressful situations is more important then the ever consistant eye candy pressure I feel for a M1A. I have a few Garands to satisfy that need from time to time. Any experience on the Sig 716?

Not having anti-venom for indigenous snakes in ER's is paramount to negligence. Might as well not have clogging agent at UMNJ's trauma center in Newark then. When I attended the 'Bear Deterrence / Avoidance' class at Skylands last year, the presenter talked a bit about the increase in snake bites in NJ recently. As far as the bear deterrence information...a problem bear is a problem bear, is a problem bear. It takes a lot of time, effort and money to get that one, then the next one and the next, and their cubs off your property. A pistol slug at close range on the other hand only takes one application and typically costs under a dollar.

If the government says it is so....then it must be a fact.

I saw a really large bobcat in Norvin Green State Forest a couple of years ago while hiking after a decent snow. Because it was winter, his coat was super thick and full, which made him look like he weighed a lot more then he actually did. I had some time watching this cat and he was digging in the snow amongst some rocks tracking a meal. That was a very enjoyable event. FWIW, I have a Maine-coon cat and he looks quite large, until you give him a bath and he looks like a chiuwawa. My point being, if the un-educated public says it must have been 100+ lbs and 6' long, probably 50lbs and 3' long. The tail is the key in these sightings. Just like how we men have been successful at making women think 6 inches is actually a foot.

I'm in the middle of Thunder Mtn and this place in Fairfield. I would like to check it out myself one day.

Sorry to hijack on this. My concern with the semi-autos is their sensitivity to ammo choices. Say Agilia'sBlue Boxed "Super Sniper Sub-Sonic", or other 'specialty' rounds that are sub-sonic. I have a 22lr slide for my Sig 229 that I practice with and it works well with CCI sub-sonic ammo, but not so good with the Agila Sniper Secret Squirell stuff. My 10/22 isn't 100% reliable with some of these SS rounds either. For me, sub-sonic is key here in NJ. That extra 150+fps seems to develop more curiosity from my not so immeidate neighbors. A wheel gun is reliable with anything. Then you can step up to the 22 mag's when it is go time. Thanks for letting me tag along here.

Awesome research there Midwest!

I am interested in picking up a 22lr pistol as well and am just about to start doing some research. I need to brush up on my rim-fire ammunition types. Don't some wheel guns offer a changeable cyclinder to handle 22 mag's?

I am confident that it would only be for work. As of late last week I was told I was still on the short list but they had a few more candidates to interview. The job is multi-dimensional, bank security during peak times (roving / random), executive protection / driving, and facilities management. If they pick a prior LEO with no back ground in facilities, Sarbanes-Oxley, OFLAC and other banking requirements I will scream...Once again, job descrimination because regular folks can't get a ccw in this state. FWIW, another NJ bank I was at when I managed facilities and physical security our head of security had a CCW and was not a prior LEO. Yes, it was conditional.