JackDaWack

Don't confuse prohibiting with regulating. OGAM with BB pistols, does not prohibit the sale, instead it regulates the sale. Now im not to savvy with this law, but i would seem you do have a point with prohibited persons purchasing a BB rifle or pistol in nj, since they are categorized as firearms, and therefor, the purchase is prohibited to persons other then minors.

Why not just buy one in NJ? If you live close to a PA store then i guess it might be worth the drive.

Yeah i just added to my OP. Typically, i think they do the 3 permit rule because of OGAM exemptions and extensions.... they know what they are doing, and don't care.

While i would still show this to the PD, i would be hesitant to apply for more then 3 permits other then to prove a point, only because it ends up being a waste IF they decline extensions. My PD has implemented a 3 permit rule, but i spoke with the detective, and he basically said if you come in and are sincere about getting more then 3 he wouldn't stop you, would help out with OGAM exemptions and would never decline an extension. He doesn't control the PD policies and he understands that its wrong, he said most people only apply for 3 but again, will not stop someone from apply for more, since the SP have directly said so. I found it odd, why bother with the policy, but he said it makes certain people feel good, but at the same time they don't really follow it. It's only an issue for people who don't understand the concept of having more then 3 permits, typically people who buy maybe 1 gun who it doesn't even impact. Don't argue with your PD, it really gets you no where. Show them the law, if they comply, great, if not contact the NJ2AS.

I'm shocked she's not sitting in the slammer right now, glad she isn't, of course. On the other hand, GREAT JOB TSA!

Honestly, do you really think the people who wrote this law put as much thought into it that we just did in the past day? When they wrote laser lighting device, they thought to themselves a laser that lights something up. Clearly indicated in this section (7) shines, points or focuses a laser lighting device beam, directly or indirectly, upon a person operating any vehicle, including, but not limited to, a bus, light rail vehicle, railroad locomotive, railroad car, jitney, trolley car, subway car, ferry, airplane, or other facility of transportation. As used in this paragraph, "laser lighting device" means a device which emits a laser beam that is designed to be used by the operator as a pointer or highlighter to indicate, mark or identify a specific position, place, item or object. That is not possible to do if you cant see it, IF the wavelength the LIDAR uses isn't visible. And, even if you can see LIDAR, opposed to my original post, it's still falls outside the statute. So while i think we have all learned something, lol. and i will admit, My understanding of LIDAR just shot through the roof, as well as the near-Visible light spectrum, a radar gun is not used to point or highlight a car, it is used to measure an objects speed.

Look i have no issues with you using light in that sense, i'm not saying your wrong. But understand, your either going to consider light as the visible part of the spectrum, or your going to understand light to be all parts of the spectrum. Either you just consider light to be what we see. or your going to inlcude everything from gamma rays to radio waves. I was merely pointing out that light is most commonly referred to as the visible part of the spectrum in the most basic sense, with out going into such detail of explaining near-IR ranges(as i don't know enough to really explain the N-IR range and the N-UV range).Visible light doesn't just end at one particular wavelength, as you stated you can actually see wavelengths past what is considered the IR range(identified as the near-IR range). So while you are in the IR range technically, its still visible to the naked eye, thus being a visible part of the spectrum) I brought up the question if you thought radio waves are light for a reason, you can make a radio laser. if you dont think a radio wave is light, then what differentiates a radio wave from say an IR wave?

i just realized something, LIDAR is a VERY broad term, ranging from the UV wavelengths all the way up to IR. So it would be entirely dependent on what wavelength the system uses. http://mr2.com/TEXT/FAQonLidar.html "Police lidar is 904 nanometers, 5 nanosecond pulses of 25 Watt instantaneous power delivered into a 4 milliradian cone angle at 1 KHz repetition rate. The long wavelength and low average power aids eye safety."

I'm not missing anything, that is exactly the point i'm arguing.

It emits wavelengths in the IR range, that is the most accurate definition. Does a microwave emit light too, how about x-rays or radio waves? Like i said you could argue the true meaning of light, but the most common and widely accepted definition is that light refers to the visible part of the spectrum. There is nothing separating an x-ray from a radio wave from visible light other then the fact they travel at different electromagnetic wavelengths. Some lasers are near-IR, and they are basically 750nm, which is the last bit of visible light that we can see(laser pointers and such). if your going to say that IR is light, then you would have to accept the definition of light meaning all parts of the spectrum. Do you think that microwaves are light? Were really arguing a topic that has been beaten to death by the scientific communtiy. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/light

It's arguable if LIDAR has an effect, it's weak and has a large spread. I have been tagged probably over a hundred times and my eyes are fine. I have been tagged by probably thousands of infinities as well. My V1's laser warning goes off almost every time i'm in my car. "Laser Lighting device" There is no lighting effect, no light is emitted, take it as visible light or what ever. You could argue the true meaning of light, but the statute specifically says lighting. If they wanted to incorporate all lasers they wouldn't have mentioned the word "lighting". At least that's how i read it. From a purely scientific perspective, and someone who teaches the topic, almost every physics book refers to light as the "visible" part of the spectrum to the human eye.

Never paid for a mental health check and the form gives consent to the PD.

There is no light emmitted from lidar

That's titegroup for ya! Be careful with that stuff.

I'm pretty sure there are already restrictions on the use of them just like this.

Why are people so focused on what people are shooting and at what range? i could care less what your doing as long as your doing it safely. If people are enjoying there equipment good for them. Just because you might do it differently doesn't make them a douche bag.

People always say this, and 95% of the time it never happens!

My knee jerk reaction is to say... in what world does a double amputee IN a wheelchair have the upper hand over a trained police officer. Maybe the officer was a afraid of getting beat up by a cripple, didn't want to take the chance.. Probably shouldn't kid about this stuff, either way good shot or bad this guy is gonna catch heat for the rest of his life i bet...

I dont get it.... Maybe the article is focused wrong but from what i read a) what is to stop them from wearing bullet proof vests? are they looking for a hand out or something? why don't the bodegas band together and buy there own bulk vests? and b) what is to stop a store owner from carrying in his place of business? We all pay a price for protection, ask yourself is $200 dollars worth possibly saving my life??

Honestly, i think they got more media coverage saying no... lol. Pretty smart if u ask me.

I use titegroup, primarily because i load 9mm and .45 plated bullets. AND surprisingly you use almost the same amount of powder for each cartridge. It can be a PITA to find load data for it depending on the bullets you use. I dont crimp either of these cartridges in reality. I just crimp down the lip created for boolit seating. I load up a few and cycle them through each of my handguns to make sure they cycle with minimum crimp. I also check OAL at this point to make sure i'm getting the bullet seated as safely possible to the lands, which is a pita if your using multiple guns for your reloads. It's much more important with rifles then handguns, but i do it anyway. Depending on your method of madness will determine how you achieve your selective load. Remember when testing something, always change one variable at a time. I loaded 20 cartiges, with varying amounts of powder, starting low, working up. bring them to range and I focus on accuracy primarily, and check for signs of unburnt powder and case stressing. The issue with titegroup, it has a small margin of error, so make sure you really work up your load, start low, work in small increments, and make sure your throwing consistent amounts of powder. an extra grain of powder wont be disaterous from what would be a safe load, but it will change the ballistic properties a decent amount compared to other powders. One might think they will get more FPS by using more powder, and with titegroup sometime you gaind a couple fps, but the pressure actually jumps a significant amount..

If your going to post articles, you need to put up an opinion. I think it's a great article, personally. At first i thought it was trying to split the gun community, talking about the 1.0 vs 2.0 culture. First off, he didn't come up with the "gun culture 2.0" slang. It's been around for some time, and the article is kinda miss leading about that. Also, it's not a new culture, IMO. They make it out to be as if before the 2.0 culture all firearms owners were "just hunters" which is completely incorrect. If anything we have just seen a strong shift amongst the purposes we buy firearms.. primarily for self-protection and sporting...That to me doesn't indicate a new culture, people for decades have been buying guns for these reasons.. Just because we use updated and newer guns doesn't make us a 2.0 culture either. "The point is, our culture has changed. And, it has changed for the better. We attract all kinds of people into the gun world because all of the lies about us are easily disproven now that the mass media no longer has control over what people know. The internet has allowed the truth about firearms to get out." I agree with this to a certain extent, take a look around.... the media is still well in control over what people know, and the internet is only helpful to people who wish to seek out the truth themselves, and even still a daunting task. Take the Trevon Florida shooting for instance, just a pure example about how the media still has a very good foothold.

Go to the range, shoot some paper, then hit the bar for some conversation... i like the idea.. what's not to like about it if they don't let you on the range after you order one?

If anything we should be putting worse chemicals in our flags.... we might actually get somewhere in this war on terror.

This is RETARDED! That's my opinion. The question that first comes to mind..... if you cant legally buy a gun, then what are you going to do with the ammo?Second, IF you illegally own a gun, what is to stop you from illegally buying ammo? Enforce the criminalization of illegally owning a gun and this law becomes pointless. Nuff said. This law wouldn't stop or prevent anything from taking place that doesn't already, it just allows enforcement agencies to tack on another charge... The only thing this would impact is shotshells and rifle ammo, you need an FID to but handgun ammo(prohibited persons cannot pass this) sooooo..... now you will need an FID to buy any ammo in nj... That is the point i would guess.