JackDaWack

Not to say pistol cartridges can't over penetrate, but are you really saying that after watching a 5.56 round go through a wall and break 3,1 gallon jugs, that it "rarely" over penetrates. Obviously the bullet type will be a huge factor, but that video didn't persuade me the least, lol. Maybe you were speaking only in terms of target penetration. Also, the possibility of penetration of the target is still pretty high, ballistics gel does a pretty good job at simulating wounds, however it is based off muscle density, and were not 100% muscle. On the other hand you have bones and such to stop bullets, so it really could go either way. either way i think the point is moot, you can find almost any caliber bullet to do what you need it to in terms of increasing damage and decreasing penetration.

Yeah i think i'm gonna order up a 3 shot in the next day or so, need to find a blued one.

From the little bit i have read up on, there isn't a way to test for it. Apparently there are many derivatives found in bath salts, and the tests they do only account for a very few of the MANY drugs found in bath salts. i think the main drug they test for is illegal to use commercially now anyway (mephedrone).

I need T-P for my BungHole! On a serious note, yeah wow, talk about insane.

I pick up my brass all the time at BH, they even leave out the brooms for you to use.

Well i installed it last week, haven't had any time to post up pics. It's actually pretty nice and feels great, the moe forearm looks out of place atm... i need to get a mag extension since it it sits more forward then stock and covers up the mag end cap. For clarification, the photo on there site shows it with the high cheek riser insert, it doesnt come with the raised one, it is flat on top. It looks 100% better with the the flat top then with the raised option. Unless your running some kinda optic the flat top is good to go.

Most places wont allow you to change an order once the order hit's the shipping department. It really isn't anything new. And if buds get the firearm out in a week, then they have done what they said they will do, cant really complain when they give you the lead time. Not a good situation to be in, but sounds like you should wait it out, the guy is kinda a dick for taking the order and giving you his word when he could not fulfill it due to what ever reason.

All I can say is the ranking officer let this guy go with out getting any information from the OCer, i'm sure he would have kept him there if he was legally able to. All the OCer did was refuse to comply and then left with his gun.... That's how it should have been handled from the beginning, but i guess that's where we both disagree...

I'm not saying they can't intervene, i'm saying that they cannot force a person who has done nothing wrong to comply. What does it matter that a third party made the report? It doesn't change what the officer is and isn't allowed to do. Again, the report was a man carrying a gun, the officer said it a couple times, he said i want to make sure your not a felon which violates the court ruling in Brown V Texas. They didn't let the OCer walk away at the end because he was wrong...... If 80% of people in maine are not prohibited persons is it reasonable to suspect that someone carrying is not allowed to carry? you have a %20 chance your right. IMHO not reasonable enough. In NJ you could probably argue RAS with well below 1% being allowed to carry.

You can not compare a privilege, driving, with a right, keeping and bearing arms. -That was 50% of my point. How can cop a detain you when your excising a right within the law? In fact your rights are more protected then your privileges. which is why i brought it up. You got it backwards, stopping a car isn't AS, you need AS to stop the car and PC to write the ticket or make the arrest. -They need RAS to make a stop, and PC to detain and search. If it is found that a law is broken then ticket/arrest follows. Stopping people to make sure they are following the law? is that the argument your trying to make? AFAIK it is not legal for LEO's to interrogate people and detain them based on the fact that what they are doing may not be legal for everyone to do. Let's take it a step further, what is the probability that the person carrying is actually a prohibited person? If it is more probably, like say a state like NJ, you may have RAS, because far less people are actually allowed to carry. But if we do the statistics, i would gather that there is a far larger percent of people who are not prohibited then are. So again RAS goes out the window. Becuase it is more probable that the person is not prohibited.

Not every one can drive a car.... is it AS to stop a car to see if that person can drive? Not all cars on the road are legal, is it AS to stop every car on the road to see if it is legal? Now when ur behind a mustang that smells like strait gasoline or the driver looks to be 13 years old you may have AS. The man listed all the case law for you, to inform yourself as to why police are not allowed to do what he did... The courts have ruled that what you think is RAS or PC in in fact NOT. And that carrying a gun does not warrant any police involvement, and people cannot be detained for simply carrying.

Again Watch the video, the guy asked to leave several times

You know my answer, hell no!

Well this is why people are doing it, to bring awareness to the situation. The Cops responding is not the gripe here, its how they generally handle it in some areas of the country. I'm not saying the cops should disregard such a call and just not respond, but they generally treat you like a criminal first. You have rights that protect you and sometimes case law that supports those rights, cops don't get to disregard rights to make there job easier or some place safer or for crime prevention. And yes you need to know the laws first in order to determine if someone is breaking one. The cop decided to confront the individual based solely on the fact he was OCing, which was brought to his attention from a concerned citizen. Nothing shows that the cop had any right what so ever to do so, but even that is OK. The problem is when he starts to disarm the man, treat him like he broke the law, and detain him. Watch the video, i don't know why your responding if you didn't even watch the video. The cop has a right to confront the man OCing, but then again the OCer has a right to walk away.

They can't, however, just stop me and "check my papers". This is exactly what they did to this guy. Police get a call that a man is carrying a gun, there was no report of suspicious activity, just that he was walking down the street carrying a gun... there is no PC or AS, no laws were broken. The officer said the only reason i stopped you was because you are carrying a gun, that's like him saying the only reason i stopped you was because your driving your car. Regardless of what the dispatcher did, the officer who responded could have easily noted that a crime in fact was not being committed, since a crime was not even reported. Dispatch gets call: man carrying a gun Officer responds: see man walking down street carrying gun Officer decides no law is being broken and does not warrant enough PC to stop the individual... Mind=Blown

I was hoping to avoid a flame war as well, i thought to myself, god what did i just start. But your response is very civil and to the point. I've been toying with the idea of getting a T-1 but i really don't have any qualms with my xps2, its been rock solid. I Stayed far away from the older models which i think left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

Disturbing the peace warrants a police response... Have you ever heard of the word Probing? How would you feel if cops stopped you every day in your car to see if its registered has insurance and your licensed? That's the same argument you just gave... Driving a car may or may not be a crime... And High Exposure, have you put any thought into the fact that the Police instigated this whole thing, apparently OC and following the law now means that you are a prick who instates verbal fights with cops... Actually the guy was walking down the street, and the cops were responding to a call someone made, the cops were actually looking for him, not the other way around.

I don't really understand the arguments flying around here... Did the guy break the law? No. You all have a right to your opinion on OC but that's all it is. I'm not sure what the big deal is here, the guy was clearly bringing awareness to how people are treated when they legally carry. The ranking officer knew right away what was going on. Are people seriously complaining that this man brought attention to the unfair treatment people receive when open carrying? regardless of your opinion relating the matter there is no difference between this man OCing and another individual walking down the street who isn't even armed. The fact that he had a good video at the end of this whole ordeal just goes to show exactly why he had the camera and "rehearsed lines" ready ATM. It's called being prepared.

out of curiosity why don't you like Eotechs?

If he does it quickly after the transaction then he has the ability to turn any illegal guns into the PD with out recourse. Personally, i would get together with this guy and make a log of the collection with photos. Before any transaction takes place you can ask a number of sources if the rifles are legal. Also, DO NOT sell anything via PM, you seem to have the right idea already. You will get the most money out of these rifle by listing them in the marketplace when that time comes.. Use places like gunbroker to figure out how much a gun is worth, you can view ended auctions and see how much something went for if your a member(its free).

Honestly, i don't see why they wouldn't. They system is just as much a burden on them as it is on us. I'm sure LE has been pushing this for some time now, its just NJ legislation that is hindering it. I know my PD is very pro gun, they hate the system, say its such a waste of time and money....

Apply for your FID, and apply for a permit to purchase pistols per each handgun u are acquiring. If he is giving you 10 handguns let's say, then apply for 10 P2P's. Also, get in touch with the guy and write down all the serial numbers for the pistols make and model, then apply for an ogam exemption(you need to declare the pistols for the ogam(one gun a month) exemption). You are Done! the PD will walk you through the rest of the process of medical health and background check. For the rifles, you just need the FID. Print out the COE(certificate of eligibility) from the NJSP site, and bring double the copies for the rifles he is giving you. Fill out 2 for each rifle, and you both keep a copy. You are done with the rifle transaction. Each handgun requires a permit to purchase from your PD And an OGAM exemption if you plan on getting them all at once Each rifle requires a valid FID and a COE(which you can literally print right off the interwebs) Come back to NJGF marketplace and list said rifles for sale! All P2P's come with an individual and store section for sales, at lease all the ones i have in the past 3 years do(looking at a valid one right now).

I'm so sick of this Sh*t it's not even funny... i wish the news would just stop reporting on it, they aren't doing anything but dividing people. let the trial run its course and report all the fudd you want.