JackDaWack

An FFL cannot just add a VFG, reclassifying the pistol as an "other firearm". That falls under manufacturing and an 07 FFL would need to follow the law regarding that.

People are fucking useless if they cant say what store is doing this. NJSP said you cant make ANY "other firearm" from a stripped reciever... I can paint "other firearm" on any lower and get the same result. Doesnt change what really matters, and that's how its transferred. In fact this FFL is openly promoting exactly what the NJSP said not to do. Black rain doesnt sell a lower receiver like that, the legally cant. The ATF would shut them down if they started selling lower receivers transferred or marked as something other than "reciever". And who writes "pistol" or "rifle" on their lowers, or any reciever? No one. Which just goes to show how stupid it is to think you need it marked "other" Doesn anyone know what FFL this is? I would love to give them a call. IMO, you would be crazy to try and build one of these relying on information from a Gun store.. there gonna get some one arrested.

What are they transferring them as then, if not "other firearm"? that's the only way to transfer a stripped lower... Legally, I can make that receiver into anything if it follows NJ law, even if I signed a nonbinding agreement to not make one.

I dont get it. They need to be transferred as receivers.. as they came in the door. The ATF would have a field day with a book carrying discrepancies like that.

They didn't have much of a choice, really. Who was going to buy one if they all came from the factory with defects in the finish. To me, it's just a bit of insight into the corners being cut or attempted. While i expect they fixed the issue with the polishing jig... i doubt they will continue to inspect each one before leaving for overall finish.

"We have since implemented strict Quality inspections" Kinda Says a lot right there...

You can do it, but like I said you need to find an 07 ffl that will do it for you and put their name on it. If you were capable of buying it as a pistol, which you cant in NJ, you could do it yourself.

If they are willing to sell it, I'd still buy it.. lol I would just have with it in the back yard. I would keep every piece of documentation. Worse case scenario its confiscated.

I have been interested in these in the past, especially the price.. The biggest draw back to any semi auto is the load.. it's hard to compensate for the discrepancy between a light target load and a heavy buck shot... Could the issue be attributed to under powered shells? Or mechanical?

Honestly, not sure how they are justifying the "not a pistol grip" evil feature. Unless this was ran by the NJSP, as an ffl I wouldn't be selling them. You would be surprised the shit I hear that is wrong in gun stores. I would enjoy the fact they are selling them, however keep in mind a person was arrested for having a pistol grip on a pump in this state.. the odds are way stacked against you in this instance. Without case law or a legal definition, IMO this is nothing more than a pistol grip that attaches to the stock. IMO, this follows the protruding grip below the action which defines a pistol grip.. DO NOT ASK THE STATE POPO... enjoy it.

I would not say the vr80 is 100% legal. NJ could easily argue that it has a pistol grip, even if the stock is "thumbhole"

I thought this was a rather basic topic. There are online SS calculators and what not.. the longer you wait to collect once you qualify the more money you get... https://www.investopedia.com/articles/retirement/081616/5-tips-increase-your-social-security-check.asp

Most of these loopholes are one shitty administration away from closing up. On the other hand..... I do feel the non-NFA firearms are immune from prosecution. Hell the ATF provided you all the litigation you need to prove they are legal. While they could create a cluster fk of sorts with selling and transferring them, maybe even forced recalls.. I doubt they would have the legal justification to do so.. In this case, "upon further inspection of the law" they found that while these were not NFA regulated, they justified it under the gun control act. However, this too is not prosecutable.. because the franklin "firearm" doesn't shoot shotgun shells and is technically not smoothbore, even if the lands/grooves run straight. IMO, this was a low hanging fruit for the ATF because it has as stock on it.. going after one company who doesn't have all the resources or will to fight the classification. How many of these things did they really even sell?

Im not sure that matters, what is important is how its transferred on form 4473. It sounds stupid but assuming it meets OAL, an 07 FFL would be required to attach a vertical grip, reclassifying the pistol as a "other firearm" and place their FFL Info on the receiver. Thats the only way to get a non-nfa firearm from a pistol or rifle that passes through an FFL.

There is no way it is 27 oal. With a standard 11.5. Barrel and carbine buffer tube its u der 26" anyway. There is plenty of good available options without this kinda headache...

MPG'S? lol

If you go through ADCO and just want a standard crown it is about $60 according to their site if you send the whole upper. If you can take it apart it's 30 bucks. The shipping obviously will add up tho. If its a good barrel it's probably worth it, but why dump money into one if it's nothing special? Most damage to a crowned barrel is most likely cosmetic anyway, thats why theyre crowned. For the amount of work done to make guns compliant, it is absurd what is charged, but this is NJ. A standard brake job from ADCO is 30 bucks.

Bring the crockpot with you, we will need something to shoot.

Unfortunately, not exactly a demand for such service. How long is the barrel currently? who makes it? Might it be worth it to just buy a new barrel? If it's something you think it is worth it, then ADCO would be the place to do it.

with the gen 5 now, thats probably true I was not a fan of the grip either for 3-4 gens

I'd have made a few of these by now if it werent for this fked up state.

We have a beautyrest black. I had a lower model prior to that. Worlds difference if you like the plush top, feels like sleeping on clouds.. it's expensive but well worth it. We're on year 4 and no visible dips in the bed. when we went shopping we went to a sleepies and I literally just tested out all the beds. If you like soft beds its definitely one of the best, you would have to try their firm to see if you like it.. but my guess it would be just as good You can rotate the bed to get even wear if its just you.

I don't want you to think i was saying that. And a C7 corvette would be a better car. But it will be interesting to see how the market reacts. I just don't see the history or rarity in these guns to be massive collectors pieces. Hundreds are for sale at any given time.

I didnt intend for it to be taken so literal. I never really understood the market value of a "basic" python. Other then they were all that was available. For a majority of them, their value was in being "discontinued "

So let's compare apples to apples... I'm not saying the market for all pythons will crash... Of course there will be years and models that are most rare and collectable... this idea that they will all be worth 2k+ is a joke