NJ Warlord

I just love how in the wake of this scandal. Showing wither that A: they are to incompetent to properly operate an investigation or B: willfully tried to inflate the number of firearms smuggled into Mexico to further their agendas, they are trying to push for more control and regulation. Which they wont get so instead they are making what changes they can through executive fiat, which is being discussed in another thread.

http://m.examiner.com/exSeattle/pm_76139/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=I8BiVFoI Looks like this Melson is going to take the DOJ, FBI and Homeland security with him when he falls. Also links to the developing story about another possible gunwalking scandal.

There's no limit to how many guns you can own or how many rounds you can have for them, provided you don't run out of money. This doesn't stop the media from demonizing anyone who has an arsenal consisting of a 22lr, a bolt action rifle, a pump shotgun and a pistol. They will be aghast at the hundreds of rounds of ammunition that you have stockpiled. I believe the AP categorizes more than 1 gun to be an arsenal and more than one 50 round box of ammo to be a stockpile.

That is the correct question Thanks Malsua

Ok, so where does it say its a carry license for an unloaded longarm?

I have heard this on the forum before but I can't seem to find the law and or statute that says its illegal to deviate with a handgun but not with a rifle. Has this ever come up in a court case?

My bad, saw the article come up on keepandbeararms and hadn't heard anything about it. Guess my ears not as close to the ground as I thought.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/christie_nominates_nj_assembly/1607/comments.html Interesting to say the least, helps us in the courts but we lose a strong 2nd amendment advocate in the assembly. Gotta hope we get some gun rights cases before him.

The funny thing is if we were to get a ruling September that'd be considered rather quick. Man I wish I could find a job where reading less than a hundred pages and writing maybe 20 in six months time would be considered working quickly...

Looks like the state is starting to take this case seriously. At least the writing is better-ish. Though they fail to realize that all arguments they are making are full of holes. Its like trying to demonstrate that a bucket with a whole in the bottom will hold water. And even if it won't? Well this other bucket with a hole in it will catch what it doesn't.

If it helps... It was a letter written by the AG to gun stores notifying them that although previously the state police considered a temporarily blocked high cap mag (pinned blocked with wood) to not be an assault weapon they were now going to enforce the law as written. Yes this means that per the police you were compliance one week and breaking the law the next with no disposal recourse. Better have know how to "permanently " modify your magazines

NJ won't change any firearm laws favorably for gun owners unless they are forced kicking and screaming by the fed. Stupid things may happen, but its been the same in every case were carry laws were instituted. No random shootouts over parking spaces or the last sample at Costco .

Keepandbeararms has some pretty good articles on reaching the uniformed and gun owners lacking motivation.

I hope Senator Grassley decides it's time to drop the hammer and dispense some indiscriminate justice.

There was one news outlet in Mexico which posted a story about project gunwalker and the link to the story is redirected to the FBI cyber crime page. So you can't view the original story as posted in Spanish last time I tries to view this morning. I believe the examiner had a story about this too. Also a Senator responded to the letters sent by persons in contact with the whistleblowers. I believe this was also covered in a story by examiner. Keepandbeararms has most of the project gunwalker stories linked.

The "may issue" stems from two points of the carry permitting process. 1. Justifiable need 2. Good moral character Both of these points are being challenged in the case.

I've signed for a few people and I don't like the way NJs system is setup, but since it is this way I use it to make anyone who wants me to sign for them at least learn basic firearms safety Want me to sign, go to range with me, learn the rules and follow them? ok I'll sign But there are a few people I know who I would personally never give a firearm to unless they drastically changes their outlook and behavior when it comes to others safety (ie reckless drunk driving, habitual drug use beyond pot and putting other people in danger through careless behavior and a general disregard for anyone's safety)

(This post only relates to transportation of firearms by looking into how bad NJ laws are) Your transportation exemption is null and void if you have a 16 round magazine fine and dandy with 15 rounds. This is the same as if the state decided you could only buy 5 bottles of liquor at a time and transport them to your home, 6 bottles and you will serve 7 years on felony charges in a state prison. That and most 15 round 22lr semis with a tubular feed could be said to be over the limit since they can fit 19 rounds of 22 short Granted it will not feed reliably but it will feed and then jam but the law doesn't even care, a malfunctioning semi that fires 2 rounds off a trigger pull then jams is an automatic weapon according to the batfe ...end rant

I think its a reasonable deviation. Pretty sure most people would. Will law enforcement agree? No idea, my cousins, a cop and a trooper, both think you can't even stop for gas or food. They think the law is meant no stops at all. (They are also covinced that hollow points are illegal to transport to the gun range from your home even after I showed them where it said I was allowed to but that's a whole issue on its own) Guess it'll be for a judge to decide if the exemptions apply to your specific case and if they don't they won't tell the jury that the exemptions even exist. Sufficed to say me and my friends either leave in one car from the house of the owner of the guns in question or take seperate cars to the range (most of the time...) Only reason is I have no idea on what they will decide is a reasonable deviation. Anyone know of any cases pertaining to this?

On Harold fish there was a video somewhere of on of the jurors talking about how powerful and deadly a 10mm round was and how it showed that he wanted to kill someone. There were other problems with the case relating to jury instruction and his defense

+1 ...sadly

Legally this is correct. Police find you transporting a firearm without an njfid they will most likely arrest you for illegal possession of a firearm. (They make exceptions during hunting season for out of state hunters with valid nj hunting liscenses) You may plead to a lessor charge or you may go to court. Its anyones guess what a judge will do at that point. Once again there is a big difference between the adminstration of the law and the law as written/intended. Look at how police handle the possesion of folding knives compared to what the law says.

The NJ firearm laws were intended to be vague and subject to interpretation by nature. They knew that even in the PRNJ an outright ban would never fly so they did the next best thing and made firearms illegal but said "its ok so long as you follow the law regarding exemptions you can have guns" The law was made confusing and next to impossible to follow to dissuade gun ownership and if you look at NJ compared the rest of the country in regards to legal ownership it worked. Didn't do anything to reduce illegal ownership, only emboldened criminals. But makes the populace dependant on the government for protection and thereby increasing government control by artificial necessity.

Administratively the majority of the consensus of the posts is correct. By the letter of the law, firearms and the transportation of them is illegal, the exemptions are defenses of the illegal activity. This is akin to it being illegal to physically harm someone but a defense of that illegal act would be defense of ones life when no retreat is possible. Isn't NJ fun. There is a big difference between the law and how its administrated.

If the ex-husband was going to cause her bodily harm it would be pretty stupid to carefully think it through, decide to get an FID card, get finger printed, wait 2 months get it, go buy a gun, then use this gun to harm her knowing full well he'll be the first one they look at in a criminal investigation and that he recently bought a gun that matches the bullet found, seems to be some logical fallacies Although I am sure she "feels" safer now, knowing he can't (legally) buy a gun