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Not really. By your logic you could never return to NJ with a handgun either, even if you are going to an exempted location. Because the second you enter NJ, you are not at that exempted location, and are breaking NJ law. But in actuality it is pretty clear, and I even quoted a definition that shows this. But using circular logic always works...

Stop spreading misinformation. FOPA doesn't say "origin state" or "desitination state". From the code itself. Please read the thing you are referring to before posting incorrect assumptions about them. Whether it holds up or not, as you mentioned, is a different issue. But per FOPA, you ARE following federal law, and they SHOULDN'T be able to prosecute you. Can they? Sure. Will they? Maybe. Is the prosecution legal? Absolutely not. Are you legal? Yes! In case the code itself is too confusing. Interstate means anywhere in a state, and anywhere out of that state. So the interstate transportation of firearms would INCLUDE from NJ, to anywhere OUTSIDE of NJ. That whole travel, falls under Interstate transportation. Furthermore, FOPA specifically, says that you are okay, if you are traveling [interstate] where the carry and possession of a firearm is lawful when you start and finish your travel. You can lawfully carry and possess in your home in NJ, and if you have a carry permit in PA, you can lawfully possess and carry anywhere in PA. It further states that you are entitled to travel in accordance with this, for ANY LAWFUL PURPOSE. That would be a lawful purpose, so NJ exemption laws about transportation are NOT APPLICABLE! http://www.law.corne...de/text/18/926A http://www.law.corne...ode/text/18/921 Unfortunately that happens, because most of that is people having to correct misinformation that other people say. See above. The answer to the original question may be simple, but more often then not, there are answers given that are simply wrong. To prove a point, I'll play devils advocate. How probable is that answer (say going to range in PA) if you are stopped at 2am? Who's going to believe that then? And on and on it goes....

To suggest that NJ law can force you to never leave the state with a firearm unless you go to an 'exempted' location, is asinine. NJ cannot govern actions in other states. So no, it is not technically unlawful. It isn't even technically illegal, if that is what you really meant. As stated, FOPA was designed for reasons like this.

You got some good information from Pizza Bob and Topher. Just be careful what you listen to, as based on your initial post, you probably got some bad info, and even in this thread, were given bad info by Sigman. If you want to be sure about things, you can go right to the NJ statutes on this. NJ 2C:58 I believe is applicable. http://www.nj-statute-info.com/getStatute.php?statute_id=2093 http://www.njlaws.co...html?id=2571&a= http://www.tickethel...ey-1118159.html http://www.tickethel...ey-1118160.html And don't feel bad about being confused. The laws are confusing, and become even more confusing when you are told misinformation, or straight up lies by people who you would think know what they are talking about. That is not to mention that the rules/laws are rarely followed (on the issuance of an FPID or PPP). And yes, FID and FPID are both abbreviations for the same thing you may see being used. The term in the statute (2c:58-3) is Firearms purchaser identification card.

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I do what I can.

Where you swinging from a tree when you took that?

Well the issue is not a moral one as you have posed. It is that the law is NOT clear, and there is some debate on the legality of it, (at least to certain extents, like using it on your property for example). I don't think anyone is suggesting to violate a law knowingly, though maybe someone is. Some people to believe in civil disobedience to certain levels.

That would be fine. Except if my work 'interferes' with an officers life, I got to jail. The opposite is not true. If there was no double standard I wouldn't have an issue. But the fact that police and other government officials appear to have been given extra rights is upsetting. And there is no tin foil hat involved to see that we are becoming a police state and the only nonsense is the nonsense going on. All you have to do is pay a little attention to things (and laws that are being passed) to see it is true. Heck, just read some of the threads on this forum. Unless actions (just or unjust) of police and other government officials are treated the same as the general public, I will continue to have a problem. Here is a scenario for you. You hear a group of people screaming. A man starts to run from the group. The group of people yell to stop him, and that he just committed some crime. As he runs toward you, you tackle him to the ground. 1. He is an innocent person trying to escape from the criminal, and the crowd had mistaken him. He breaks his arm and sustains a concussion from your tackle. You are an off-duty police officer just trying to help and do the right thing. What are the consequences? 2. He is an off duty police officer chasing the criminal. The crowd had mistaken him for the criminal. He breaks his arm and sustains a concussion from your tackle. You are a regular citizen just trying to help and do the right thing. What are the consequences?

Probably because a lot more people get hassled or even arrested for carrying a gun legally than any of the other activities you mentioned. Reality is far different from simply what is and isn't legal. I could probably post close to 100 videos of people carrying legally in which they were at the very least, hassled about it, ranging all the way up to them being threatened with execution and arrested. Can't say I have seen many people arrested because they ran into the wrong person while buying salad dressing at the grocery store.

Why don't I see that? Why do most laws even bothering outlining specific scenarios and exemptions if those specific scenarios and exemptions aren't applicable?I am not saying you wouldn't think they aren't. I am saying it someone violates what it says, why is it that if it is an average citizen, they get charged, yet if it is police, it is okay? Of course not every situation is the same. Yet more times then not, if the average Joe is on the wrong end of it, police and prosecutors say "tough luck, you broke the law, you suffer the coincidences". The same does NOT hold true for the same police and prosecutor. They get the "well, we feel they acted with good intentions, so it is okay that they may have broken the law." Why do you not see that? It is not clear, but even if it was only a couple of people that were detained that long, it doesn't change anything. And how come you didn't respond to my first question?

Not every gun owner in NJ has always been a resident of NJ, and most places have no registration of pistols. There are ways you could legally own a pistol in NJ where LE has no way of verifying, sans you telling them.

How can we be sure? Is that rhetoric! Haha. You can't be. That would be impossible with the current laws, and the way the judicial system works.

Those that are brain dead and don't even know what planet they are on nevertheless what a gun is?

There was a nice long discussion on this very subject a while back. Of course this is where the law is both confusing, contradicting, and asinine. You should be able to legally use it, as the law says so. However a different portion of the law makes the transfer illegal. However even though the transfer is illegal, it still is not clear considering the possession is apparently legal on both ends of the transfer. So somehow, you have broken the law, in a period of time that only exists in theory and on paper. This period of limbo is what makes you a criminal. Does any of what I wrote make much sense? If it doesn't, then there you go. Welcome to trying to decipher NJ law. Found the other threads. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/28889-spouse-hold-gun-in-house/ http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/30888-family-members-can-apparently-use-other-family-members-guns-in-home-self-defense

Would you like a list of the 42 countries on 6 continents? There seems to be less screening on INTERNATIONAL flights overseas than on DOMESTIC flights within the US. Only one of those countries have I been subjected to both a full body scanner AND a pat down. That would be the US. And I was traveling on business, for the government. But I'm sure my dog tags and watch were a big threat. It isn't like a operate aircraft, while carrying a firearm or anything... No, US airport security is much worse than almost any other country, with few exceptions of course. If you are using LHR as an example, then your view will be skewed, as England is one of those exceptions as being worse, and London couldn't be more inappropriate to use an example of overseas airports.

Smaller birds or little birds?

So out of all the people detained, which one of them being detained prevented the escape of the suspect? And extended period of time? Well the article said it was up to 2 hours. Would you not consider that an extended period? But to respond directly, in this case, anything greater than, I don't know, about 2 minutes I'd consider extended. "Oh, you aren't a bank robber. Have a nice day." So now all it takes is "a reliable tip" to detain anybody for multiple hours...instead of say, following the law? Not to mention any 'tip' is either reliable, or it isn't, with NO way of knowing until it is checked out. So saying a 'reliable tip' is also easy...in hindsight.

Barrack Obama?

Lakehurst is no where near the area mention in the OP, and the main JB MDL is even further away...

Yes, you have to condition people to the point where when things like this happen, they are used to expecting it. It becomes the norm. Sort of like airport security. You only realize it isn't the norm when you travel outside the US. Evergreen International is a military contracted cargo carrier if I am not mistaken.

This is the only thing I could find. http://longbranch.patch.com/articles/state-police-performing-training-exercises-near-fort-monmouth-tuesday-night The details are vague and avoid any real information. Whatever is happening, they don't want us to know. Standard. Though the state police may have been involved, I'd bet a lot that they were NOT the ones operating the helo's. Training exercises are not unusual, but last time I checked, you didn't do them over residential areas at the middle of the night...unless the fact they are done near over houses is part of the exercise. Even actual non training flights have to abide by standard noise abatement procedures.

I can't wait to get out of this state.