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"reload automatically" WTF are they talking about? Does the magazine pop out, and a loaded one automagically flies in to replace it? I love how they make a collapsible stock (probably the only mod needed to make it a AW like here in NJ), is the bane of society. It is obvious they are trying to use a FUD strategy on the non gun owning population to further their mommy state motives.

+1 to Vlad This is what I brought up at the NJ2AS meeting. That the anti-gun rights politicians and groups have admitted to themselves that they cannot completely take away our guns. They are now focusing at restricting gun rights into a corner. Their main goal is to implement what they call "common sense and reasonable" laws to restrict gun owners down to owning only single shot non-SA guns. This is the new danger we have to face. They can claim they are not infringing on 2A rights, hence not going against the latest SCOTUS decisions. There will be a constant battle between degrees of restrictions in the future. We are seeing the first round now. I think both sides know there is a line in the sand when it comes to private ownership of arms, i.e. howitzers and rocket launchers, etc. They will now focus all of their efforts and energy on pushing this line closer and closer to gun owners being restricted to .22lr single shot BA rifles. Take a look at Canadian laws, it is very similar situation with "prohibited weapons", "restricted weapons", etc. It's like NJ gun laws on steroids.

Good idea Jimmy. For me bumper stickers are my mortal enemy. I would however be open to window decals, the kind that do not have adhesives, but still sticks to the interior glass by ways of magic and/or science.

Never say never! Been dying to use this emoteicon...

I admit, I really like the looks of this rifle. If I had a use for an intermediate range rugged, simple, lightweight BA type rifle that I needed to lug around all day, I'd get it in a heartbeat. I'd still be torn between my M1A Scout or even a Mini-14. I guess if you needed to be in especially cruddy environments, the simplicity of a BA would come in handy. Otherwise, there are other priorities that cost $700 and up... compound that with $90 magazines ... Silly they didn't machine it to take M1A mags...

I thought the same thing when i got my MSAR. I was also told that the pistol grip could be considered a "thumb-hole" stock. I don't see it personally.. Moral of the story is that I got a brake pinned and welded on. Until the whole AWB abomination of a law goes away, I err on the side of caution as Vlad points out.

Yet another ambiguity in which NJ could charge you, and then you have to prove in court that the magazine is indeed "permanently" rendered to 15 rounds. There are no definitions as to what defines permanently altered, such as NJSP approved rendering permanent procedures similar to the defunct BATF guidelines for muzzle brakes back during the federal AWB experiment. It leaves open arguments that one could file off the weld or rivet, chemically remove epoxy, etc etc. IMO the only unarguable way to do it is to cut the mag and spring, and re-attach the floor-plate. That being said, I do know people with "permanently" altered 15 round mags, and most likely legal troubles will never ensue... but its something to think about and a risk you need to be willing to take on.

Hi Frank, I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I wasn't saying the fees are low (which they are, but I understand why) I meant the membership numbers. If I heard you correctly there are only 150 official dues-paying NJ2AS members. Is that correct? I agree with your statement on joining and donating. People are so turned off by donation grubbing these days, as we are all bombarded from every direction with good causes and intentions. Its a decision that every NJ gun owner needs to make. Now is not the time to say "I'm a member of the NRA, that's good enough". It takes time, money, and resources to make changes happen. Lots of people have the mentality of "I'm only one person, I won't make a difference, I'll just keep my $25 or not be bothered... someone else will do it most likely anyway". Multiply that attitude by the thousands, and you see the picture. The one thing I do know is that in joining NJ2AS, my $25 has a tremendous return on investment in terms of putting my money to work to fight for what I believe in. SAF and GOA also come to mind when it comes to donations. NRA is the last on my list, but I'm still a member.

Welcome Ted, I'm assuming you dive based on your forum ID. There are a few of us on the forums that dive , including myself. What's your poison when it comes to diving? Also, if you reply to this, you will no longer be a "lurker" and will be elevated to "post slut" as you put it.

So many things wrong here. Since air guns are considered "firearms" in NJ, you will be going up against: Too many evil features (flash suppressor, folding stock, pistol grip), so it would be an AW in NJ (10 years) High capacity magazine (18 mos) It would also be considered a "sawed-off shotgun" in NJ, carrying another 3rd degree charge "o."Sawed-off shotgun" means any shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length measured from the breech to the muzzle, or a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length measured from the breech to the muzzle, or any firearm made from a rifle or a shotgun, whether by alteration, or otherwise, if such firearm as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches." (5 years)

Lets not forget about LED portable lamps of the tacticool persuasion. I've pinned the collapsible battery tube, so its legal in NJ. That is NOT a light-suppressor attachment on the front lense frame! It's merely a luminosity compensator for excess photon spill.

This would have been useful

I have spare parts kits for most of my guns, especially the SA rifles. There are just parts that will eventually break. I keep the kits for 2 reasons... 1) Afraid they may not be available if they are uncommon (like my MSAR STG), and/or 2) SHTF insurance.

Was a great meeting. I even got to ask Dan Schmutter a question that has been bugging me. I should have mingled more to meet more forum people, i sorta bee-lined it for the door after the meeting to get home. Next meeting. I was surprised to hear the low number for dues-paying members of NJ2AS. Really need to pump that up.

Sell'em and buy something you really have your eye on and will have fun using. If these guns were fun for you, you would have shot more than 10 rounds in the past 5 years with them!

I just picked up a few 91/30 Mosins. A laminate round 1942, and a solid hex 1934. Wow you can really tell the difference in quality from the pre war 1934 over the 42. Both are in excellent shape. I was talking with the FFL where I did my xfers, and the topic of plentiful cheap Mosins came up. He agrees they are a fantastic bargain right now. We got to talking, and he made a good point. He said that although there are millions of these things potentially out there, that this is the first time in awhile so many nice ones have been available. He thinks eventually all of the nice ones will be bought up, leaving the undesirable condition ones floating around. I wonder how accurate this point is. This is the first year I've even paid attention to C&R surplus stuff. For those who have been in it longer, in the past , has there been lulls on the Mosin market when it came to availability of excellent condition like ones that we see being imported now?

By definition of NJ's statutes, I'd say they are! I never thought of that!

Correct, here is a link to a page that explains the federal law : My link This doesn't stop NJ from keeping its illegal law on the books. Its part of my point... Someone could get prosecuted for this, and if their lawyer doesn't do their job, they could be in prison. Even if successful in court, the person would be out much time and $$$.

Yup, I know they are not legal in the state, I'm just spreading the word. This isn't slap on the wrist stuff if you pick one up out of state and bring it home.

Sportsman's Guide bb machine pistol Here . From my interpretation of the law, this is pretty much defined as a machine gun and handgun in NJ. Even though there are federal laws stating that air guns cannot be defined as firearms... NJ doesn't seem to care. I'm sorry for those that already know this, but I'm betting there may be some that don't. Chances are with a good lawyer, and lots of $$$, you can fight this in court citing federal laws. I'm just pointing out yet another reason NJ's gun laws are ridiculous. (I know its not that difficult to do!). f."Firearm" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectable ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. b.Handguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun, without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime of the third degree if the handgun is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. Otherwise it is a crime of the second degree. I. "Machine gun" means any firearm, mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot and having a reservoir, belt or other means of storing and carrying ammunition which can be loaded into the firearm, mechanism or instrument and fired therefrom. 2C:39-5. Unlawful possession of weapons. a. Machine guns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession a machine gun or any instrument or device adaptable for use as a machine gun, without being licensed to do so as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-5, is guilty of a crime of the second degree

I haven't been able to find any State Statutes regarding where, when, how, and what is required or not to shoot on your own property. If anyone knows the statute number , it would be helpful. That being said I know there are town ordinances, and where there aren't any, the police I'm sure will come up with creative ones if they think things are unsafe. Its pretty tricky in such a densely populated state, you would be taking on a ton of liability if you sneezed and sent a flyer cruisin over your backstop if there isn't sufficient safe distances to populated areas. IMO get a pellet rifle of the non-magnum variety. They are still nothing to toy around with, but its much easier to be safe with them.

As an FFL/dealer here in NJ put it to me... Something to the effect that NJ police rarely play the AWB card, usually they do when you are in a heap of trouble for other stuff and are looking to tack onto that. I said that personally, I'm not willing to play the 10 years in prison game of chance.

Hybrids are a failed attempt and a huge a distraction for what we should be really doing. 70% of our electrical generation capacity comes from fossil fuels. The internal combustion engine has an average engine efficiency of around 18%. 80% or so of the heat energy created from the engine is expelled as waste. Now look to solve those problems and we'll make a real difference. I'm sorry I don't believe the hype that you need a bunch of batteries to make an internal combustion engine more efficient. And we have real solutions today like newer nuclear fuel cycles that produce vastly less radioactive and smaller half-life waste; as well as being non-proliferation capable. (thorium fuel cycle) New plant designs that are fail-safe even if every monkey in the world pushed all the buttons. The safety measures operate on gravity, so unless someone figures out how to change that... we're good. The majority of the plants we have today are 30 years or older. I'd say that technology has come quite a ways since then.

Its on my calendar. Unless something of a higher priority comes up, I'll be there.