Dan

OK OK, i should have said "and you live in NJ" as most people on the New Jersey Gun Forums do.

There are exceptions for minors:

Good writeup on it Here. Basically NJ dropped the charges because *gasp* they felt sorry for him. It was obvious he unintentionally fell into a legal gap in FOPA and NJ's absurd laws, so the state dropped the charges. No legal precedent came out of the case, only suggestions on what travelers can do to avoid the situation in the future while traveling through PRNJ or similar non-free states.

There are strict guidelines as to where the transfer may take place and for what purpose: I did start this thread to bring awareness to NJ's ridiculous laws. Many people may not be aware of this, but handing your cousin your handgun or maybe even rifle or shotgun in your own home could be technically breaking a serious law with serious consequences. Sure the odds of ever being caught are minuscule, but it is something to be aware of.

"but but I'm trying to defend our homeland Officer!, look the enemy is landing right over there in the bay!" ... "Tell it to the judge"

Have you ever had a friend over your house, and handed him or her your shiny new handgun to check it out and you are not an FFL, dealer, or gunsmith operating from your home? If you answer is yes, you may be guilty of illegally transferring a firearm. It may even be the same with rifles/shotguns as I see nothing in the "temporary transfer" statues that would allow it. +1 to anyone who can find an NJ statute that permits this activity in your own dwelling.

I can't think of a legal way to do this under the handgun transportation exemptions. You don't live or have a "place of business" at your parent's house. Unless they have a target range in their backyard, or run a gun repair shop in the house you're out of luck.

+1

I'm pretty sure he was convicted of illegal possession of a handgun due to the judge not allowing the exceptions to be explained to the jury. In addition, the high cap magazines (which are a 4th degree felony up to 18mos each).

I knew this would come up. I do not underestimate, only saying that a well organized effort would be necessary to fend off a standing army. Not each gun owner defending their house. Almost all the invasion fighting scenarios involve a loosely organized insurgency , and a well organized element of professional soldiers (aka trained, ranked, full-time,etc). All of your examples include both elements.

Call it what you like. I call it fortunate because the laws are not written in our favor. It is clearly up to the cop to determine if in fact you were on your way going to or from a shooting range. Your word against the cop's. You can be arrested for illegal posession if the cop decides he/she doesn't like your story, then you have to later prove through the criminal justice system that you were in fact going to or from a place of target practice or repair. This is how the law is written. You have two options when a cop finds you with guns... either he/she believes you are in fact transporting under exemption... or they arrest you and let the system decide. If I walk away with option A , I find myself fortunate.. who wouldn't?

Organization and training are needed for our nation's gun owners to be effective against a professional well equipped army. By nature, we are inherently divided (not counting your friends and buddies that live in the same town,etc). That takes out the invading army's need to "divide and conquer" , they can move right into the conquer part...

My interpretation of NJ self defense inside the home is that you have to have a a good reason to feel that you and/or others in your home are under threat of bodily harm in order to use deadly force. Inside your home, you are not legally obligated to give up property or retreat even if you think it would enable you to avoid the said threat (as opposed to outside your home). Theoretically, if a drunk stumbled into your house via an unlocked door, passed out on your living room floor... You woke to find him there in the morning, you can't go shooting the guy on the floor even though he violated your premise. He poses no threat passed out on the floor. Same goes if someone walked in grabbed your wallet, and was on the way out when you found them. They see you and run for the door... you can't go shooting them in the back. Try to justify that you were under threat of bodily harm... Now if the drunk got up and you told him to get out aiming your pistol at him, and he starts coming at you ignoring your demands... then I would say you can argue he was looking to do some damage to you, especially since if he overpowers you he will now have the pistol. Since you are under no obligation to retreat in your own home, deadly force would probably be justifiable to protect yourself and others in the home.

nice rifles!

Looks to me limaxray has had experiences with being pulled over with legally owned and transported firearms, cooperated and still got the shaft. I'd take the advice for what it is. We have rights that permit us to politely refrain from answering a LEO's questions. It can be as simple as "my friend is a cop,and he let me know that its not in my best interested to answer any questions, I hope you understand. Is there anything else that I can do for you?" What we do with our rights is an individual decision. Sometimes being completely compliant to the LEO's questions is the way to go. I know people who were pulled over going to the range and they let it all out. Fortunately for them the cop was cool and let them be on their way. For others it could be a night in jail, and 15K worth of legal expenses. I think the point is you have options. It is almost universally known that the less you tell cops the better IF everything hit the fan and you wound up arrested and prosecuted. This is the same basis as to why defendants hardly ever take the stand. In essence you are admitting things to the cop, and no matter how in the right you feel you are, is in effect you being on the stand for all intents and purposes. For me with a hatchback, its pretty obvious I have firearms in the car, so my only real defense is following transportation exemptions to a T and hoping for the best. Plus I have a legal insurance plan through work, with gun ownership as one of the primary reasons for having it. ;p

I'm not getting the reading primers part. Bob showed me quite a bit, but I know he said he was holding back on the more advanced stuff! The Varget wasn't bad price-wise, and was similar to the various 4895 powders that most .308'ers seem to use. Would you have other suggestions in mind? I'd be curious to research them. I'm shooting this in a Rem 700 Milspec 5R. Here's a good writeup on it 700 milspec 5R I'll have to look into the small primer shells. Probably would be after I run the ones I bought in bulk through to their limits.

Why do some PD's pull this stuff? Are they so anti-gun rights, or just lazy... maybe both?

Thanks Tony, will definitely report on how they perform!

You got me there. I'm going to make a batch of 41gr's as well. I was so consumed with online recipes that others use for the same rifle, and the were in the 42.5-45gr range. I'm still going to do 41 and 44gr batches. The primers are "Large Rifle".

OK i get what you are saying now, where it locks back to the receiver frame. Yes I agree the lock back position on the stock handle is poor, makes it easy to slip, and metal would have been wiser.

Here's a pic of some of my first batch of .308 reloads. These are Lapua brass, 168SMK, 43gr Varget, CCI LR primers. I also made some at 40gr and 42gr. This way when I finally do get to go shoot (weather stops dumping on us), I'll see which charges the rifle likes best. Big thanks for Pizza Bob coming down last weekend and teaching me the ropes!

Flawed indeed. I agree, I think this is what they were pushing for, SAF knew that NJ had no other foot to stand on than the slop they put forth in their dismissal request. They played right into their hands. You have to draw them out before smacking them down!

Yes, the welded compensator is NJ legal.

It's really personal preference, both are good guns. My preference was for the Gen3+ STG version. It takes MSAR mags as well as AUG(haven't tested yet) ones. I just bought 7 mags and called it a day... in case I can't get them in the future. AR mags may be more practical, but I really liked the looks of the STG body with the plastic AUG-like mags over the E4.

Not sure how that is possible? The handle free floats and does not reciprocate with the bolt carrier. Maybe we're talking about different parts? Got pics?