MarkWVU02

The sad part is their are conservative third parties yet they're not allowed to debate. Did you watch the third party debate? They talked about issues the Repuli-Crats agreed not to debate...the election process has become the biggest joke in America.

Look how many people are using upside down American flags as their avatars on here...if Romney had won and Democrats did that you'd be all up in arms over it calling them unamerican or a disgrace. It's time to face the fact that he won...I'm not happy about it but in the end senseless quibbling over it does nothing to help. It's time we as a population set aside our minor differences and work towards restoring America to what the constitution framed it out to be before its too late. This forum is a great example...if someone has a liberal idea people start calling them libtards when in fact we're all on this forum for the same reason...to keep our 2nd amendment rights. Calling our brothers names gets us no where...maybe I'm being too idealistic I just think Americans, especially a lot of the people I've had the pleasure meeting on this forum, are better than that.

I never said he was pro-gun, I just know the guy isn't an idiot. He's got things higher up on his priority list and there's no way congress would pass severe anti-gun legislation. I trust the wolf over the wolf in sheep's clothing personally. The biggest issue we face as Americans is neither party is all that different. They take big corporation money and have refused to have the people's best interests in mind. There's a reason these parties like the population at odds with each other...it's a distraction so we don't see them screwing us until it is too late. Look at the last few presidents...none of them has done anything to help. Bush had the Patriot Act, Obama the NDAA...both are erosions of our civil rights yet people argue over party allegiance instead of looking at the bigger picture. Meanwhile the Republi-Crats laugh all the way to the bank.

Silverado, reminds me of this

I agree. I was nervous at first but since doing mine I've helped two friends do theirs. It's really easy plus gives you a great feeling and understanding of how the AR works

I went back and read them (instead of just what you quoted) and I see what you're saying (I had always heard it was ready to expire) but it doesn't change what he said, and the problem with Romney was he was known to flip flop between issues. He didn't make things "better" he actually increased the fees on gun licenses by 400% (sounds like infringement). My point in my original post is that people are looking for Obama to ban things when in his 4 years hasn't even touched gun rights...even in light of two highly publicized mass shootings that you know the anti's were ready to jump all over. Really Obama is smarter than that and he has a different agenda to worry about other than gun rights. I neither voted for Obama nor support him I just think people are reaching at straws. Complain about the other things he's done but as far as gun rights goes he hasn't done anything of the sort. Doesn't really make much of a difference in Jersey anyway as we still have an AWB that's not going anywhere...even with a Republican governor. Do you honestly think Christie who isn't pro-2A is going to change things if he gets elected president?

I'm not going to make this a pissing match. I don't find a PA Gun Blog to be the best place to get unbiased info from. I've read a lot on the issue and from I've read the AWB in Mass was about to expire. Whether or not he worked with both sides, he did in fact sign legislation making the AWB in Mass. permanent and said what he said. It's things like this that lost him the election. He flip flopped on issues constantly.

Actually Mass's AWB was set to expire. Romney signed legislation that made it permanent. He was also quoted with what I said above. I guess your fine with that statement. I'm not saying Obama is great it's just the other side wasn't any better. Personally I despise both parties. Neither has the collective citizens best interests in mind any more.

That's the one I've been leaning towards. It's extremely lightweight, thin, and you don't have rails where you don't need them.

I was thinking that but they weigh a bit more than the none free float. Most reviews I've seen on the two piece non free float say they lock up tight with no wiggle room. I guess that's why I asked. Just wanted to get some opinions.

I have a midlength gas system so I'd need 9". Each one is different so some line up with the top rail some don't. The Midwest Industries seem to have the extension that lines up with the flat top upper. Most are at the same height as the upper some just don't have the extension that reaches over the delta ring. Your gas system basically dictates what size you need especially if you have a front site. Carbine=7" Midlength=9" Rifle=12"

I think people are just looking for Obama to ban guns even though thus far he has done nothing of the sort. People forget Romney was the one who signed legislation in Massachusetts making the AWB permanent calling assault weapons "instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

So I'm trying to narrow down some two piece railed handguards for christmas. I'm staying on a budget (my aunt is purchasing for me) and will probably stay with either Midwest Industries or Troy. I really like the Midwest industries stuff and have heard great things in regards to customer service which has me leaning that way. Here is what I have it narrowed down to. Thoughts, opinions, experiences, and suggestions welcome. Let's not bash and I know DD and Larue amongst others may be better but cost twice as much so they're out of the question. I'm not heading into combat any time soon (unless the zombies rise). Here are my options: Midwest Industries Gen 2, 2 piece drop ins http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Midwest-Industries-MCTAR-18-p/mctar-18g2-blk.htm Troy 2 Piece drop in http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Troy-Ind-Tactical-Free-Float-Mid-Length-p/troy%20mrf%20di%209.htm Midwest Industries SS 2 piece drop ins (I like these because they're thin, lightweight, and allow me to add rails only where they're needed) http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/MI-18-SS-Series-Drop-In-Mid-Length-Two-Piece-Ha-p/mi-18ss.htm Midwest Industries 2 piece Free Float (these are a bit heavier compared to the others and require removal of the delta ring assembly) http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Midwest-Industries-MCTAR-21G2-p/mctar-21g2.htm Troy 2 piece Free Float (also needs delta ring assembly removed) http://troyind.com/%20/rail-systemsaccessories/rails/ar15m16-rails/free-float-rails/troy-battlerail-mrf-m-9 I'm leaning towards the MI SS...I like the lightweight and customizable rails. Just want to hear some of your thought on it. Are the 2 piece Free Float superior to the 2 piece non free float. Basically all I'll be attaching is a Magpul AFG2 and a weapon light with tape switch a little bit down the road. I like that I could add a bipod also if I want to. Just want to hear some thoughts, especially from anyone that's used them.

Now I'm going to start a thread because you got me thinking. My aunt said she'll get me some railed handguards for christmas...pretty crazy since she's really a pacifist hippy...last year she got me a red dot and magpul rear mbus...next I have to get her out shooting

I think all you need to do for that is remove the delta ring. YouTube has videos on it. I believe you'll only need a dremel to do it

Actually after looking at the Troy industries website I think you'd only need to remove the delta ring...I just don't know how you go about doing that...I'm sure someone else will chime in

I think that requires some gunsmith work. Says the delta ring must be removed or a low profile gas block installed. the link I provided above for the Troy was a drop in piece that requires no gunsmithing or changing out of parts...plus it's cheaper. I personally don't like Brownell's, I find them to be a bit overpriced on things. Someone may chime in and say I'm wrong but by the description I'd think it requires some gunsmithing.

I'm wondering if I'm going to regret posting this picture haha

Here's my 05 Willy's edition. Bought it in September. The guy that owned it just had his 3rd kid and needed to get rid of it. My favorite part is the camo interior.

here's two for you that you could get cheaply and install yourself. Midwest Industries http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Midwest-Industries-MCTAR-17-GEN2-p/mctar-17g2-blk.htm Troy http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Troy-Ind-Tactical-Free-Float-Carbine-p/troy%20mrf%20di%207.htm

Yeah I was saying it's a carbine length. Daniel Defense makes top notch rails but they come at a price. Midwest Industries and Troy make more economical products. I'm thinking of doing the midwest industries rail on mine. You'd have to get a two piece because if you wanted it free floated it would probably require a gunsmith.

It's a carbine length

I've heard a lot of good things about the Midwest Industries two piece handguards. Actually been thinking of picking them up myself to replace my magpul plastic handguards.

Was thinking the same thing Ray. Have to get some pics of my toy I just picked up. 05 Willy's edition with 3.5" lift and 33" tires. It's set up to go bigger but I kind of like it the way it is. Will have to post some when I get to a computer.

Never said the woman in the video was a republican Ray just stating the fact that it was started by a republican and expanded to cell phones under a republican. The video just shows one of the many ignorant Americans. As Winston Churchill once said "the greatest argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter". The sad part is the Republi-Crats would like us all to think they're different parties.