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I always love these debates... For the one asking about divorce and splitting of a collection, all that is required of the wife to take legal possession of her half in NJ is that she obtain her FPID. That's it. Should we all tell our wives to grab the shotgun instead? Look out BG if mine does! It's 9 shots of #00 ready-to-run with 4 more in the carrier next to 4 more of shot and ball!!! 118 pound darling wife grew up hunting with grandpop.

Hang on - don't be so quick jump on the NJSP being at-issue. I've found quite the opposite outlook having had to deal with them for difficulties with my local PD for permits and several multiple transfer exemptions. I also RSO at 3 ranges where NJSP officers frequent and have engaged the topic of our purchase system and concealed carry and always find them to be PRO for doing away with the current purchase system and follow with majority of States and offering a realistically obtainable CCW with proper training. Now the local LEOs and State government, well...

I have actually been told for years the only good luck I've had was landing my wife! My best friend of 32+ years swears Murphy was finally laid to rest and I'm his replacement!

Much to my surprise, I had this happen for the first time today in DE. Found some of my favorite .380 for my Sig P238 at $5 less per box than I usually pay and asked to buy a case. Do the drill and present my driver's license as usual, but then the guy behind the counter then tells me he needs to see FID because I'm from NJ? Of course I asked when did Delaware sign some sort of reciprocity with New Jersey as the only place a New Jersey resident must present an FPID to buy handgun ammunition is NJ? He wasn't amused, but neither was I with his misunderstanding of the requirements so I asked for the owner. The owner understood my point and told me he's logging all substantial ammo purchases because he's gotten a new BATF working him that's not really qualified and insisting on it... OK, fine but I was not armed today (didn't expect to be out of state) so no FPID with me and no plans to be back that way in the near future so I ask if my CCW permits would suffice - they did, but obviously I don't have one for NJ! Go figure... Similarly, I purchased a handgun out in the great Pittsburg area about 2 months ago and organized the transfer to my NJ FFL while there in PA shop. I get a call last week from the little shop out there in western PA asking me if I could please get them a copy of my FPID ASAP! Of course I'm wondering why... The shop owner informed me that the BATF checking his logs insisted that he needed my FPID because I lived in NJ!?!?! I swear, what in the world is up with the misinformation with State and Federal government? Hello, this was an interstate transfer and the receiving FFL transfers it to me upon presentation of my FPID, valid purchase permit, and pass the NICS. "Stoopid is as stoopid does..."

Yes, it's clear as this... Unfortunately. The specific exclusion for resident State came with the reported version of the Bill along with the Amendment for non-resident permit study by the GAO. The Bill is very clear in this regard with the basic element being if you can get a CCW permit in your State of residence, then reciprocity will be honored. By making this difference from the introduced to the reported Bill, they've completely muddied up how those of us who cannot get a CCW permit in our resident state, but have non-resident permits from other States, will fair. I'm hoping there will be ZERO changes for non-resident permits, but the fact of the matter is that we could potentially see permit-issuing States do away with non-resident permits because of H.R. 822 because 1) they'd feel they'd not be necessary because of the reciprocity (too bad NJ), and 2) it would free up their funds and resources from dealing with non-residents (cases-in-point the added manpower that Utah, Florida, and Virginia had to add). So, what my posts have been saying are that 1) H.R.822 will not make it possible for NJ residents to carry because we have non-resident permits in other States; 2) Because NJ does have a CCW permit system, our out of state armed brothers can carry concealed in NJ under H.R.822 until NJ squashes that - ala, Illinois; and, 3) this Bill has the potential to make it worse for NJ residents subject to how other States interpret it against their need for continuing with non-resident permits. That last is of real concern to me because I carry every day when out of NJ, and am realistic about the government here because I unfortunately deal with several branches of it every working week. A friend and fellow NRA Instructor is also a Utah CCW instructor has told me that Utah is actually in the red with the non-resident permitting due to the flooded requests, and every government likes cost cutting. See where I'm coming from?

Last I could get detail on, NJ had issued right around 400 CCWs to private citizens but had a bit over 4,300 CCWs out to retired LEOs/armored car and other guards. If it passes, it will be great for so many others but likely backfire on those of us here in NJ throwing our efforts backwards. If it doesn't pass, I can see the NJ spindoctors using it against SAF. I think the only shot we law-abiding firearms owners have in NJ is for our corrupt and bankrupt government to figure out they're sitting on a potential cash cow, but then again, they like to waste our taxpayer dollars fighting us! I know, PA is just across the river. However, I'm not in for coming out of my house investment with no money in this market... I will continue to transport my unloaded handgun and ammo stowed seperately as required by NJ to the state line, step over it, and then carry with the several permits I have.

A very nice, J-frame-ish revolver 5-shot .38Spl/.357Mag is the Ruger SP101. Built like a tank and can handle hot rounds of .357Mag (if your hand can). While I'm a very large Smith wheelgun guy, I own a 2-1/4" SP101 .357Mag DAO (spurless hammer), which I carry concealed very regularly, and a 3-1/16" 9mm SP101 SA/DA that's one of my favorite moon-clip guns. Check them out too.

Are we reading the same bill? H.R. 822 will not change anything for NJ residents. It will force us to sit back and watch every out-of-state CCW holder carry, while the rest of us who have non-resident CCWs cannot - at least for a short period. At best, maybe it will apply some pressure to NJ to come back to reality, but I won't hold my breath for that time period and would be more surprised if NJ didn't strive to go the route of Illinois. It's not weasel room either, the Bill was crafted in its reported form not to step on the toes of States and it's pretty clear right up front that a resident of the state must have their home state's CCW. Note the specific reference in the findings (from the introduced version) and check the qualification of 926.D(a) last sentence. What is real grey is that those of us who cannot acquire a resident CCW, but possess one (or several) non-resident CCWs, do we get the same right? I suspect the legal arguement will be no based on this too simplistic Bill should it pass. Will we maintain the same reciprocity, or will the language of the Bill muddy the interpretation and we find our non-resident permits useless? Why else would Sec 3 be added for the GAO audit of non-resident permits in the Bill as reported in the House, which is different than the introduced version from February? I think people are latching on the poor summary of the legislation that missed the resident state exclusion instead of reading the actual, short text of the Bill.

Concur with gimmemym1's assessment. I left about 11:15pm because I had to be up a 3am and it's a 40 minute ride home. One thing Skip isn't really overcoming is the stigma attached to the decision to sell in the first place. Many, many of the old USANA life members are VERY bitter about being sold out, and many are still residents of the Township and putting up opposition. I'm anxious to hear how it turned out as well, but won't be able to get a download from my buddy who stayed the duration until tomorrow as he's flying for business all day. Anyone else who was there, please fill us in!

It's 718 Centerton Road, Pittsgrove, NJ - You may need to use either Elmer or Centerton as the city for older GPS devices. It's easy to find. I graduated from Schalick back in the day, and was a member at USANA way back when Skip originally ran it, ditched it after the HarborSite baffoons took over, but am now back! Please advise on the forum of the date for it at Schalick. FYI - the "opposition" it mainly bandwagoners since USANA doesn't have may neighbors!

The basis of the particular meeting, as I understood when I returned to USANA and talked to Skip to get my former membership back, was to get back the former hours of operation that USANA had when Skip originally ran it before the deal with the HarborSite folks who destroyed a good thing. The Pittsgrove residents succeeded in getting HarborSite out of there (I left after only a short time with HarborSite control), and it returned to Skip's control after HarborSite trashed whatever they could after Pittsgrove booted them. As one would expect, residents of Pittsgrove, especially after the HarborSite bumblings, have take to the "not in my backyard" stance. USANA doesn't have too many neighbors really, but those neighbors know how to stir it up! I grew up in Pittsgrove, family is still there, and when it was Skip's USANA originally, it was run responsibly. Hope we get the hours back! Does anyone know the rescheduled meeting? I've been out of town for the last 3.5 weeks for business.

There's a few ways to look at any comparison, and I tend to lean to two extremes in my personal judgement. First on the inherent accuracy and mechanics of the firearm, and second upon the mechanic using the firearm. And either one of these can be the crutch for a deficiency in the other. When considering the mechanic, it's all subjective. When considering the individual mechanics of the firearm, there can be measureable comparison individually, but I believe measuring the working system better than the sum of its parts. That's the engineer in me. The competitor shooter side of me wants the firearm I am the best mechanic with, and for me I personnally feel that Ruger got the balance wrong on the GP100. Compare the 686 to a Service Six, I will take my well-worn Service Six any day over any of my 686s. Personal defense is yet another decision tree. If it came down to life, I don't think anyone is going to stop and say mine is better than yours. In my much winded way, I agree it is subjective because we've not qualified the basis of comparison.

IMO, Ruger never needed the GP100. The Ruger Service Six stands by itself, built around the .357Mag, and perfection in 4-inch. I own a wide variety of Smith wheels in .357Mag, including several 686s, and it is venerable wheel gun. If you ever have a chance to shoot a 686 CS-1 in 3-inch, you will very likely understand why I say there's no question it is superior to a GP100.

Yes, there is a Blue Book: https://store.bluebookinc.com/Firearms/Default.aspx Also their services: https://store.bluebookinc.com/Firearms/Appraisal.aspx For rarer firearms, you are better served by getting a qualified, independent and reputable appraisal from an established specialist in the field. There is a pretty good long-gun smith in Northern NJ that does appraisal work too, but I can't for the life of me recall his name... I will see if I can dig it up for you.

I just ordered 4, and FedEx ground to NJ was $5.39! What a STEAL!!!

Then this is truly a great deal! For that price, I'll be adding more to feed my 226s! Thanks!

You may unfortunately receive CheckMate-manufactured factory mags instead of the desireable Mec-Gars as $25 is the going rate on CheckMate's for the 226. Exeter began using CheckMate last year as an OEM supplier. CheckMates are made in the USA, and it's often indicated on the magazine itself or on the plastic wrapper they will be in. CheckMates for Sig are known to be unreliable.

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You're only going to get a review of the NJ regs for your boo-boo. The NICS process kept you from violating the law - lucky you. Had you actually violated it, such as doing a FTF on the 28th, the NJSP would be at your door after getting their carbon of the purchase permit - they do review every one! Personally, I would fess up to screwing up counting because in getting a FPID, you are acknowledging that you have acquainted yourself with the firearms regulations in their entirety! Why give them reason to revoke your card for an honest mistake? We're all human and make mistakes, and I have found the NJSP Firearms Investigation Unit a real pleasure to deal with. Honesty is the best policy IMO.

What are we talking here - FMJ, JHP??? Retail walk-in or mail order?

Never ever give up your 4th Amendment rights! That will serve you well in courts if anything ever gets that far. If you really get into this, you will find all sorts of information but the heart of what you need to understand is 1) 4th Amendment rights (check your 5th and 6th knowledge too), 2) probable cause, 3) Plain View Doctrine, and 4) the Supreme Court has ruled on several cases about length-of-detention for traffic stops. Lengthy traffic stop tactics are often meant to be coercive. If by some chance you really give a LEO some hint to envoke a National Security exemption, you never voluntarily gave up your 4th Amendment rights and be sure you stick to your other rights and be silient until your attorney is involved IMO. Somewhat aside, but relevant, is a proposal I really enjoyed by a law prof at Pepperdine called, "Privacy Takes a Backseat: Putting the Automobile Exemption Back on Track After Several Wrong Turns." It's probably out there somewhere on the internet - enjoy! All in all, I feel if you treat a LEO courteously all should go fine. Sure, there are some arrogant LEOs, but many are just trying to really serve and protect. Give both types your best manners. Traffic stops put a LEO on-edge, so keep it comfortable for them.

I can see how that was unclear. Many States are "must inform" States when stopped by a LEO while carrying concealed. However, many are also not. A must inform State is a must inform State regardless if a resident license, non-resident license, or licensed by reciprocity. What I was attempting to say in fewer words is a case where an individual has a concealed permit from a State that does not require informing the LEO (like Florida), but that State's license has reciprocity in a State requiring the LEO be informed (like Ohio). In such case, you need to understand reciprocity means Ohio acknowledges your license but it is your responsibility to then conform to that Ohio's concealed carry laws and not just proceed under the issuing State's.

As an avid RV'er myself and CCW holder in every State that I camp in (except for the obvious NJ), the best piece of advice with regard to necessary notification is to check the CURRENT laws of that State for which you are carrying in, especially for differences between resident and non-resident permit priviledges. As for NJ, no way I will let an officer know I have my guns. If further pursued by the officer (i.e., he/she wants permission to search your vehicle), you simply ask "what is your probable cause." Instantly, the officer will recognize that you are either LEO, a lawyer, or well-versed in the law, which will then become his/her decision as to pursue a warrant or not. I can tell you many do not want that trouble under what started as a routine traffic stop. Some personal experience. I have sat on the NYS Thruway for 2 hours while a cop attempted to get a judge to issue a warrant to search my lockbox as I was passing through the State - it didn't happen, and rarely does it actually for the average law-abiding American. I have also been stopped in my former home State carrying concealed, and in reciprocal States (I tow a HUGE trailer which draws DOT inspections like a moth to a flame) where I was required to notify the officer. It's simple, when you get pulled over, pull your vehicle safely to the shoulder, turn on your hazards, roll-down your driver's window, turn off the ignition, and have your hands at 10 and 2 o'clock on the wheel. When the officer approaches, inform him or her that you are carrying concealed under permit and where your weapon is located without moving your hands off the wheel. Wait for the officer's direction - I never had one ask for my firearm, but some may - and make sure you let the officer know where you will be reaching for your credentials BEFORE you do it! It will go smoothly and just fine, but be prepared you may have some LEO's with an attitude asking "why" about your gun, and you need provide no explanation other than you are lawfully permitted to do so.

First thing I have to ask as the others got the dollars and cents down for you, are you sure you are submitting to Troop A, which are the South Jersey Troopers, or should you be submitting to a local police department? I know plenty of South Jersey communities have no local police department, but if the one where you call home does, you cannot bypass them. If you are submitting to Troop A, also be conscious that you cannot do this at all Stations! Good luck!

So, what do you get when cooler heads, a bit of mutual respect, having all your paperwork in order, and diplomacy prevail? You get your entire collector's exemption approved by the NJSP and permits from the local PD! Could have knocked me over with a feather when my local PD clerk called my house this morning telling me the purchase permits were ready! I ran right over and picked up the stack of them! When I received my authorized copy of the SP-015 back, it was actually signed off on last Friday! I'm guessing since the Sgt. Det. at the NJSP had it in front of him for the call, he decided to just handle it because it was nowhere near the review timeframe discussed! I'm glad I did my ranting and venting here allowing me keep a level-headed approach with the local PD. It not only paid off for me personally, but now other handgun enthusiasts in the Boro can also benefit from changing of the ways through better understanding. Now only if that could be the case at the State government level...