Kaiser7

So I stumbled across this site, they seem to have .22LR, as well as some other stuff, but I've never heard of them, and I'm not sure whether it's legit or not. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about them. http://www.clickammo.com/default.asp

I've heard that theory. If so he is a douche beyond all douches. I dont have the cash to get all the ammo i'd like, so i feel for people who get into a caliber like this to save money. I heard rumors black horse arsenal was going to make an AK-style pistol chambered in 7.62x54R which would get the banhammer dropped on mosin surplus (if what i hear is true)

Cool! Thank you! I'm trying to support LGS more simply because they generally contribute to the 2A fight in Jersey, so figure it's only right.

What ones? If you know of any, let me know, I'm curious because I'd like to have some LGS to support (besides the ones I already do), even if they're not local enough for a convenient drive. Now, I know a lot of them have websites, but no online ordering, that was what I was referring to. I loved his site, it's the only one I knew of that had current inventory, saving me a trip. I actually have an ANA sticker on the back of my school laptop haha.

I just happened to think about this. But none of the gun stores which I'm really familiar with sell ammo or accessories online. I'd also think that a list of current inventory for guns would be nice too, but I'd REALLY like to be able to order stuff and have it shipped for convenience. I mean, I don't think a domain and a basic site are terribly expensive... But anyway, just happened to think of that, wasn't sure if there was some reason (I know NJ requires verification of an FID for handgun ammo sales) why nobody listed inventory/prices, or sold online.

Both me and a friend of mine who is far more knowledgeable on the AR platform than I are doing the same thing, get a functional gun, then slowly, over time, replacing it with better parts as we see good prices. I just dropped a light-weight trigger spring in the other day. Damn, I was hoping to win "cheapest AR build" XD.

Thanks, I recently found out I'm both Jewish and Arabian, so I guess that explains me knowing the value of a dollar, and having the haggling skills to get a good price. But yeah, I got some good stuff for a good price, but it took me over 7 months to do the build, plus I built it in May 2012 IIRC, just a few months to all the panic buying. I also benefited from the fact that what I want isn't particularly the most in-demand stuff. I'm not a huge fan of ARs, particularly the more "traditional" ones with the carry handle and forward sight post. So, I wanted a flat-top upper with a free float barrel in a picatinny rail handguard. Not to hard to find, if you want 16.5" barrel, but I wanted a full 20" rifle, and I'll tell you, it took forever to find an upper like this. I was getting to the point I was just going to buy a stripped upper, barrel, rail system, etc. all separately. I also am 5' 7'', so A2 stocks fit me perfectly, so I saved a lot of money getting an old surplus A2 stock. Really the only thing I wasn't super happy with is that my 20" barrel has a 1:9 twist, but I figure someday I'll replace it with a 1:7 or something.

Dammit. I missed this. Kinda pisses me off Bubbas are limiting the ammo, I was reading on /k that some guy basically got robbed for .22 ammo because some dude needed to sell the brick "to make his living". Good news is that I found 220 rds of .22lr, including federal and minimag, that I thought i'd lost yesterday, as well as 3 magazines for my MKII that I thought were stolen.

Ohh... about $500 for a Troy upper with a wilson arms 20" barrel, $100 for stripped Delton lower, $60 for LPK, $45 for a set of used HK-style sights..$35 or so for a muzzlebrake, $20 for compliance work., something like $20 for a stock (Surplus A2 stock/buffer tube).. So I guess $780 total. I actually would have preferred either a mini14 or mini30, but building an AR turned out to be far cheaper for me, and 15 round magazine availability is better for ARs. I love my build though.

I read this at 330 am, lol, In fact, I didn't notice the thread was 9 pages long until just now! XD I was thinking "Damn, this thread really blew up since i went to bed at 330.... Well no matter! I'm slowly selling off parts of my airsoft stuff to put money into ammo/range membership, so when i saw the thread I was like, "OH! I have that exact rig and can sell it cheap!"

I might have a rig like that I'll hook you up with.

I forget why it's considered larger than .223, but let's be real, would BATFE really care about stuff like laws and definitions and such when they can ban cheap ammo?

Nope, the way the ATF measures it, it's .221 caliber or so. I've already seen that point brought up on r/guns, and /k.

checked out r/guns, someone posted this link, not sure , but it seems someone on gunbroker is selling a 5.45 pistol, might be the person who caused the ban. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=403279623 Apparently Horn Custom rifles built it http://vocaroo.com/i/s0lZo080tp7l

Forgive my ignorance on the matter, but is it illegal to import surplus handgun ammo? Or does this have something to do with regulations against short barrel rifles or something? About two years ago, I very seriously almost bought a gun chambered in 5.45, guess I'm glad I didn't. Not that ammo in general hasn't been harder to get. But I'm really curious who it was, and why they'd do it.

The BAR10, which is a 1:1 copy of the VSR10 isn't too bad. I kept the spring stock as it was a back up for field play, and didn't want to drop the money on a heavier spring. I'd say lubed up it's only 3lbs or so (totally guessing). But I found it to be the lightest spring pull on any of my spring-bolt actions. The difference is definitely price though. A low-level bolt gas-powered airsoft gun runs$200+, with the gas costing $12 a bottle, and the magazines are more expensive. I usually would say go for a crickett or even a Savage MKII for that price, but with .22LR being a PIA to find right now, going $50 in on a spring airsoft gun is a good way to start, plus you can shoot them on your own property even if you live in suburbia, and can practice fundamentals even if you can't get to a range.

I have a few airsoft guns. I have a bolt-action spring airsoft gun based off the R700 if you're interested. Decent airsoft guns are usually similar in weight to the "Real-Steel" counterparts, and have safeties and such. My JG BAR10 is fairly light, feeds via magazines and stuff, so airsoft guns aren't a bad way to go, especially since .2g bbs are fairly easy to find. But they're fairly good, that's where I learned, I was originally an airsofter, played the sport stuff like that. But I'd say given the difficulty of finding .22LR, which is what I'd usually recommend, try an air-rifle, or maybe a gun in .22 short, or something you can still find ammo for.

lol, I'll assemble Lowers for $20. Never had someone take me up, but I know for me, it's almost 3x what I make in an hour XD.

So here's a really good blog (in general) that has a good post about firearm markup. http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/search?q=msrp As for my $0.02, here's the thing. I'm a staunch capitalist. I also study biology. I subscribe to the thought of "Economic Darwinism". If a LGS is not competitive due to price, service, etc. Then they will go out of business. Now, before anyone thinks this is a statement against LGS, it's not, it's against LGS that practice shitty business. I have heard of many which treat their customers rather brusquely, and come off kinda standoffish, etc. I wouldn't mind paying more for better service, unless it was substantially more. Likewise, I'd rather not deal with FFL shipping and stuff because that's just another PIA. But I would like to go to places where I build a rapport. Furthermore, there's nothing saying you can't try haggling, especially on a used gun. I know Bob's Little Sport Shop is excellent, and they've tolerated me coming in just to browse, or ask questions and things. When I bought my first gun, that's where I went, and even though I only bought a Savage MKII for $200-something, they gave me a free hour on the range with my brother-in-law, and IIRC, a few targets, and a discount on some .22LR since it was my first time shooting. They took care of me, and I would like to take care of them by shopping there. I know that Banger's Sport shop at SJSC seems to be pretty good too. I haven't really bought much there besides a few targets, but while I was shooting there as a guest, and needed an allen key (Mounted a scope improperly, no surprise there), they lent me one, gave me some advice, and were totally cool. To be honest, I'm generally broke quite often, so I like to "window-shop" online, think about the things I want, etc. The prices I see online seem on par with Bob's Little Sport Shop, and I'm sure some of the other LGS in the area. Winter's Gunsmithing is another place. I've never bought anything there, but Mr. Winters has been really nice to me, when I was getting my FID he explained stuff to me, offered to help me find a nice K98k for a good price, showed me some things, gave me tips on what to look for in guns, etc. I say shop around, be a smart consumer, and try haggling. If giving a little discount means moving some inventory, they'll likely do it. Or, be smart, and if you're buying a new gun, (and it's there) try buying a lot of ammo at that time, and use that to try and get a better deal. But being part of a smart consumer goes back to the capitalist free-market belief in mutual benefit. If you find a place that's got awesome service, willing to work with you, and stuff like that, pay a little extra up front, and later you'll benefit by having a trusted source you know won't screw you. It will be better in the long run.

...I think if you're slamming a mag in that hard something's wrong. Either you're using too much force, or perhaps something in your gun is causing resistance to the magazine, but I've never felt like I needed to use enough force to get a mag in that it would hurt my hand. But that does sound pretty painful, hope it feels better.

Haha, actually, the one thing I did know was to avoid the polymer magpul sights. Friend of mine whose opinion I really trust on these things claim they don't hold a zero very well. I sort of like the Troy, but I'm in no rush. I'll have to see just how my HK-style front sight is, and then determine from there. But I love the rear peep front barleycorn style sights.

Meh, it obviously shows ineptitude, but I guess if the deal was suspiciously good, it makes sense. But what IS good is that they admitted it was their mistake, and made it up to you. Hell, it's not as many as you want, but no one can argue with 25 free shells!

Ah, wow, glad I asked. Thanks for answering, I was just curious because I'd never seen that issue be asked before, so I was curious what difference it would make. So, out of a 1:9, what mass of bullet would you find optimal, and does anyone load for a 1:9?

Nah, for now I'm planning on sticking with my knock-off HK style, until I get some cash for the Daniel Defense one that I like because it's almost exactly like an M14 sight, flared sight-wings and all. Also, is it true that the further apart the front and rear sight, the better?

Oh, okay. I have a flat-top upper, with a railed gasblock that is the same height and dimensions as the rail on the top, so that's fine then?