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I actually happened to think of it, and posted it on my facebook, and in the NJ2AS page. I did see someone posted about this rifle months ago though, that's what made me think of it. It's pretty cool, have another link.

For those who argue the Founding Fathers couldn't conceive of what modern firearms would be like, and that the Second Amendment only applies to muskets... ...I would like to point out, Thomas Jefferson sent Lewis and Clark on their expedition with a rapid-fire repeating rifle that was in use by the Austrian army. I introduce you to the Girandoni air rifle, which, while it was air-powered, it can penetrate 1" of wood, and could fire 22 shots in 30 seconds. This is the same rate of fire as a modern AR15. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle

With elections, it's not necessarilly about convincing swing voters (even though that is very important). A highly overlooked portion is motivating your political base. All things considered, Romney was a lot closer to Obama than would have been expected. Even though Obama won, it wasn't by the huge amount one would have expected, especially given the media bias. His failure to turn the economy around, particularly for young voters meant that while they may not have voted for Romney, they didn't vote for Obama either, they either went libertarian, or, simply stayed home. Christie would, if running for POTUS, still likely win traditional red states. However, in many swing states, he probably would lose because the Republicans, or right-leaning independents/undecideds who may be more apt to vote for him, may not be as motivated to do so, and might just stay home that day. That being said, the Republicans need to refocus their message. They have (inaccurately) been labled as racists, and friends of the rich because they don't support a nanny-state. They've failed to capitalize on their message that anyone can be a self-made success, no matter the race. Obama also reaped the benefits of the 2008 election, where large community pushes to register people to vote, who had not done so in the past (particularly young voters) helped him win this time. Even if they weren't as motivated, if they were still registered from the last election, that's one less thing they would have to do in order to vote, and if they still supported him, even if not as much as 2008, they would still be more likely to vote than if they hadn't already registered. I had a great laugh after the election at all the people I knew who voted on Obama because he "supported" gay marriage. I had often posted information during the campaign showing that he didn't support it, and that his "evolving stance" he took up in May before the election was a political move to motivate young voters, and some left-leaning independents, and that he had no real intention on supporting it. Two weeks after the election he came out and said "Now is not the time to work on gay marriage." Basically proving he had only "supported" it in prior months to get votes.

Here in Camden County we have about two inches on grass... Nothing on the roads. Looks like it's about to start sticking to the roads within the next 30 minutes, but with the rain today, the roads will pretty much be one sheet of ice.

What I think you mean is that 9/10 states people are moving TO are Red States. NJ is the number one state that people are moving out of. I think it's something like the people that are moving, either in, or out of NJ, 62% are moving out.

A3799 Strengthens State's Assault Weapons Ban - Introduced by Joseph Cryan, no summary or link posted yet. A3800 Requires Background Check for ammunition Sales and Transfers - Introduced by Joseph Cryan, no summary or link posted yet. A3801 Requires Persons Selling Ammunition to Be Licensed By The State Police - Introduced by Joseph Cryan, no summary or link posted yet. A3815 Enhances Penalties For Persons Who Illegally Sell or Transfer Firearms Subsequently Used In Crimes - Introduced by Herb Conway Jr. (NOTE: This does not appear to be an anti gun bill but the summary has not been posted yet for us to review) The associated press also reported today that the NJ Assembly put forth 20 gun control bills. It was supposedly announced today. According to the AP, the bills will be introduced into committee next week and voted on by the full house on February 21. I will update everyone as I find more detail.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/Second_Amendment_rally_at_NJ_Statehouse.html?c=y&page=3 Yeah, for those that did wear the "impeach Obama", and hunting stuff.... But yeah, what do we do now? We had the rally, we've been contacting them non-stop, what else can we do?

Say what you will about lawyers, they may be sellswords, but sometimes, it's justified. I expect they'll either get a settlement, or the other lawyers will claim that the police's shooting was justified in the interest of public safety.

I'm pretty sure, based on the pictures, it was about 1000. Notice no photos were posted with the article. Regardless, we're getting down to the wire.

Saw this, figured I'd share. Perhaps not quite as bad, but still... http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=mR6OGAM4

Yes, I've been calling, and mailing everyone I can.

He's right, ILLEGAL gun owners favor more restrictions...Makes the legal ones easier to rob!

Excellent! The combination of legal gun-owners, AND the manufactures in condemning attacks on 2A rights will really make a great statement. I'm glad they're doing this, and that so many companies are doing so. I'm not sure if anything similar happened in 1994, but it's good to see now. I may only own a S&W knife, but they've definitely earned my respect, and when I do finally get a revolver, I know who I'm going to buy from.

Well he'd love the fact Piers was covering this story extensively. I didn't watch it because I didn't want to listen to him push for gun control because of this, when it's obvious the guy was an advocate of such stuff.

That explains why the initial manifesto was taken down, so that only excerpts not pertaining to supporting gun control would be seen.

Yeah, I've never been impressed with their efforts, always thought ANJRPC has been rather passive. That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do, and I certainly hope they knock it out of the park. I might even join if they can deliver.

Don't get me wrong, it's not fair, nor is the stereotype of a gun-owner or 2A-supporter. The fact is, when we do this stuff, our enemies use it to distract from our argument. All the data, examples of failed gun control polices, etc. all go down the toilet because one person was rude. If we don't give them any ammo, they have no choice but to either ignore the event, or, to focus on the issues brought forth, which, if the majority of people attending were pro-2A, then it leaves them in a bit of a bind on how to spin it. It sucks, and it's not fair we have to play nice when they don't, but I think it will work in the long run. To put it in other terms, consider the risks vs. the benefits. What do we have to gain from heckling? (Can anyone answer that?) What consequences do we risk from it? (Again, the media portraying us as out-of-touch jerks)

Glad to see they're dressed like normal citizens, not in camo and stuff. THIS is how we turn around the negative perceptions of firearm owners. You're right, but we're one hell of a large minority. With 47% of US households having firearms, even with NJ's lower number, we are strong enough to have an impact. We DO need to speak up, and complacency IS bad. We cannot, however, act in a manner which alienates the general public, feeds into negative perceptions of gun owners, or make us seem like assholes/ weirdos. We need to show other people that we are their friends and neighbors. We should also take people out shooting, since that's probably the best way to dispel most of the "guns are evil" stuff they hear. Once they realize it's not just the tool of the criminal, but rather, more often the property of the model citizen, then we will change minds. Can't guarantee what the turnout will be, I'm praying it will be large and from what I'm hearing, it's looking like it will be quite successful, though any able-bodied person who can attend should, and should spread the word. Your assertation that there is no state-wide organization is false. If anything, there may be TOO many, and being fractioned like that may be weakening us. However, NJ2AS is the organization I put the most faith in at the state level. They're an upstart group, only about 2 years old, but they've had quite a bit of success already, and the members are really dedicated to protecting our rights. I suggest you join them. I decided to join with them because I saw firsthand how much they were able to accomplish despite being such a young organization, and they've impressed me more than some other groups, though honestly whether you pick ANJRPC, NJ Second Amendment Society, or both, join something, or assist when you can. Your passion and motivation are inspiring by the way, I'm not criticizing you, but rather, I wish to point you in the direction of the organizations dedicated to protecting our rights so that you will join up. People passionate about protecting their freedom, such as yourself, are the type of people we need. It is time to fight back, and that is what we are doing, but, we must face the fact that there are people out there who want to demonize us and our beliefs, and who portray us as Dip-chewing, camo-wearing, paranoid rednecks, when nothing could be further from the truth. It is a Public image battle as much as it is a political one, we are representative of our beliefs, and if we represent ourselves poorly, people will not find the data supporting our cause convincing, and will continue to ask for useless feel-good legislation that only harms law-abiding citizens.

Probably quite a bit, while not representative of most police, when this stuff does happen, it's usually swept under the rug. That is, unless they believe race played a role in the officer's decision to "shoot first, ask questions later." While I generally cannot stand the OWS movement, and I believe they got away with A LOT of BS that wouldn't be tolerated if other groups, like 2A supporters did it, I do think they had some valid points when they brought up police brutality, and unnecessary force. Of course, an officer's decision to use lethal force immediately, before it may be necessary is likely more a training issue than one of malice. The problem could probably be solved by more intensive training in areas such as threat identification, and threat response, I mean we've probably learned some lessons about that in Iraq dealing with insurgents, who blend in with the normal population, I'm sure we could apply similar techniques to police training. Back on the OWS thing, I find it Ironic they aren't big 2A supporters. After all, their whole belief that the 1% has all the power should encourage them to believe in the Second Amendment as a means to deter tyranny. After all, in the event of a ban, or confiscation, who would have all the weapons? Only the rich and powerful, too bad that idea is lost on them.

Oh, I have no problem buying used. Honestly most of the used stuff I see is functionally new, apart from being "tested" a few times at a range. I sort of prefer buying used actually.

Yeah, acting like a douche only hurts us. You have to act the opposite of what the media wants, and we need to use facts and logic to debate our case. To that extent we need to dress nice and refrain from the "cold dead hands shit" that only alienates us from the average person. We need a good public face if we want people to listen to us. This woman simply used something an idiot did to further her agenda. If she wasnt heckled, then her argument would gave been forgotten since it wasnt well constructed or supported. I should be the PR person for nj gun owners XD

There IS a One Million Moms AGAINST Gun Control. They formed in response to OMM for gun control.

Excellent, you divert their efforts away from targeting legal gun owners, and have your wife talk about the abysmal mental-health system and the need for more treatment centers.

You want to sell me one of those Sigs for super cheap as a 21st birthday gift? Just kidding. As for a 9mm 1911, not going to lie, it's more desirable to me not just due to less recoil, and the fact I'm VERY inexperienced shoot handguns, but they had one in Fallout New Vegas, and I thought it was kind of cool.

I've been called out on this, I always want more guns, there's just so much history, and I'm always lusting after guns I can't afford, but here goes. 1)M1A 2)Mini30 3)PTR-91 (put a wood stock on that bad boy!) 4)Winchester 94 5)Sig P226 6)Revolver (don't know enough about which one) 7)Remington 870 express mag 8)Replica Sturmgewehr 9)FN Five-seveN 10)Mauser K98k 11)Luger 12)Jager Rifle 13) M1 Garand 14)1911, perhaps (and this is sacrilege, but in 9mm) 15)SKS 16) Hakim I'm pretty sure there are more... I'll end up adding more later, I'm sure.