Kaiser7

Have you joined the NJ Second Amendment Society? http://www.nj2as.com/ We're trying to do all we can to fix the situation here. Hopefully, if we keep pushing for what is right, we will make a change.

Not 21 yet, but I will be in a few weeks, and eventually I'd like to get a handgun. Now I love the Five-seveN, but with 5.7mm ammo hard to come-by and expensive, that may not be a smart idea. I also like the Sig P226, and P229, but I have no clue how much they cost during non-panic buying. Or if there are any other recommendations people have, let me know. Unlike rifles, I don't know too much handguns.

And I thought the AR couldn't be any uglier. I have no clue how you'd hold that. I'd much rather take a traditional rifle-stock over that.

I think this will be locked soon unfortunately. But most people don't know this about court rulings regarding the police. I encourage people to cite these rulings as counters to people who make that argument regarding only needing to dial 911, or that no one needs a gun. NOW, this is not to say that there aren't LEOs out there who are heroes, and would lay down their lives to protect, however it is very important to know they have no legal obligation, or need, to do so.

I won't be there since I need to get another CTscan to determine if I need surgery, which considering what just happened to me a few minutes ago, may end up needing to happen sooner. I'm trying to go to the NJ-SAFE meeting instead, so that I'm at least doing something, plus I've called every assembly person, sent emails, and am working on my letters. I'm simply saying, I think there are more members on NJGF that are passive than there should be. We should all do whatever we can, I mean a call or email doesn't take that long, and considering we all post here, we should all take that time to instead contact our representatives. I wasn't trying to be a jerk to those here who do do their part, but if I could shame someone who otherwise wouldn't act, or see the importance of this issue into acting, well, then I consider that a win.

Most of the people on NJGF can't be bothered to call politicians, show up to rallies, write letters, or join pro-2A groups. I highly doubt they're going to fight.

Gone, with no backorder as of when I checked. Damn

Honestly, I think that if there are 1,000,000 people who claim they're going to resist this bill, to the SHTF level, maybe one will. I feel like most of the people are going to talk big, but will puss out.

I remember when I took Sociology, we talked about just how easy it is to skew data. If they polled heavier in southern NY figures like that make sense. You have to look at what areas were polled, times of polling, methods of polling used, and who conducted the polling to be sure. Not to mention that it could just be the beginning of a trend, and opinions could swing one way or the other in a few weeks.

Most of the people I know from NY are VERY pro-gun (then again, they live no where near NYC). Actually, the NY gun owners I know seem to be far stronger 2A supporters than many NJ gun owners. I'm surprised though, that opinions on the measure are split in 1/3rds. I mean, if the usual standard of error is +/- 2-3%, those polls are all fairly even, I would have expected opinion to fall one way or the other.

Hence why as a Second Amendment supporter, it is our responsibility to spread correct information, and to, politely, explain their errors. If they call BS, simply ask where they get their information from. IE- how many AR15s has he built. I find that google makes it fairly easy to find facts to back stuff up. Why, just go to wikipedia and look up AR15 to prove it stands for Armalite, that might shut him up. And when antis talk about how easy it is to get guns, simply find legal text that describes the FPID process in NJ, or explains the NICS system, etc. Usually they'll stop posting uninformed crap after a while, or unfriend you (both good) when they've been made to look like a dumbass enough.

Yeah, I know the feeling 8mm Mauser isn't rare, but it isn't common either. Unlike a cheap Mosin, one tends to be a little more hesitant about putting corrosive ammo through anything that fires 8mm since they tend to cost more. And new production non-corrosive Mauser ammo was about $1 per round previously, which is pretty expensive. I just looked on CTD a moment ago, and it's about $2 a round.

I can't remember exactly, but I believe there was a state law or something where anyone taking accutane had to get blood work done, but apparently it didn't exclude men. Though, admittedly, I have no clue why I needed monthly bloodwork done while on the medicine. I only remember them talking about all these potential birth defects. ...I'm pretty sure I've posted pictures of myself AND my girlfriend in my "So my Spleen Ruptured" thread. Go there if you want to see me, and/or my girlfriend. I am pretty good looking though, girl or not, you guys would want me.

I am a guy...That's why I didn't understand why I had to get bloodwork done. Sorry to ruin your fantasies boys.

They are not obligated unless they have special provisions to. Whatever that means. This is just what the courts say, not saying that there aren't LEO heroes who wouldn't lay down their life to protect citizens, they are just not required by law to do so. Essentially, if my understanding is correct, police do not serve as "bodyguards" to the populace. They are merely there as a deterrent to crime, and to investigate and attempt to stop crime. I suppose that a cop, in the position where they could die protecting a citizen is not obligated to do so. There are several court cases regarding this, look up the ones I mentioned, you'll probably get more information than I can provide, I just know several courts have come to similar conclusions, and hence, that is why CCW is needed for civilian self-defense.

I think it's not a perfect solution. But to have the knowledge of how to do it, and the ability would be useful. Let's say you can't get factory ammo, but you are somehow able to get reloading supplies, just having the experience in it will be more beneficial than if you don't have any experience. As with any SHTF situation, having a broad base of knowledge applicable to any potential situation that may arise is important. Not to mention that reloading helps you to better understand bullet characteristics, and how they behave when fired. In the end, reloading may not be crucial, for the fact that it may not be possible to acquire components, but knowledge, and the ability to do so helps you be prepared for situations that could potentially arise.

Taken from NJ2AS facebook page. WHEN & WHERE: February 5, 2013, 6 p.m. - 8 p.m., Rutgers University-Camden Rutgers Camden Campus Center Multi-Purpose Room 326 Penn Street, Camden, NJ 08102 Parking available in Lots 13 & 14 (parking is free until Lots are full) February 6, 2013, 3 p.m. - 5 p.m., Brookdale Community College Warner Student Life Center Room: Navesink I, II, III (SLC 216-218), on the upper level of the building 765 Newman Springs Road, Lincroft NJ 07738 Parking available in Lot 7 (parking is free until Lot is full) February 7, 2013, 6 p.m. - 8 p.m., Rutgers University School of Law-Newark Center for Law and Justice, the Baker Trial Courtroom, Room 125 123 Washington Street, Newark NJ 07102 Parking is available in Lot 510 across the street from the Center for Law and Justice (parking is free until Lot is full)

Plan to try and be there, but figured I'd email anyway. Here's what I said, a bit long, but I tend to be verbose. Time and time again, gun control has proven to be ineffective. One only needs to look at Chicago, which has some of the most stringent anti-gun laws in the nation to see just how much of a failure they have been. However, this matter is not isolated, and repeated FBI statistics, and empirical evidence (such as the trend of decreasing crime nation-wide, despite more states allowing lawful concealed carry, and the rise of firearm sales) show that these laws are counter productive. To those who argue we are to rely on police to protect us, there are some very important factors to keep in mind. For instance, in Warren v. District of Columbia, the DC court of appeals ruled that police have no duty to protect. A similar ruling was made in 2005 in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales. Not to mention that NJ has been forced due to budgetary constraints to cut back on police officers, so, even if there was legal precedent that police had a duty to protect, there are fewer of them to do so. To bring the argument further, we can also have the often used argument that if new laws such as magazine restrictions are imposed, the only people who would follow the new laws would be people who are already going to follow the law in the first place. Therefore, we are again infer that the only people who would be affected by new legislation would be those whose possession of certain firearms and magazines are people who aren't a threat to society anyway. Instead of such illogical approaches to curbing violence, we need to seek real solutions, ones which do not affect the millions of legal law abiding NJ gun owners.Tax-paying men and women who are already marginalized and treated as if they are criminals for simply exercising a guaranteed right. We should instead focus on increasing punishment for drug-related offenses, gang-related offenses, violent crime, and avoid allowing criminals to take plea deals for such crimes. This, coupled with increased community out-reach programs, and programs to improve access and funding to mental health facilities, coupled with programs designed to deter at-risk teens from becoming involved with drugs or gangs will be far more effective in reducing violence in our state. Thank you for your time, Matthew

Just curious, what do you mean by "worthwhile cause"? I think part of NJGF, and NJ gun advocates in general is that we are buried under so much crap, it's hard to tell where to start, and as such, we aren't "focused" enough. We're trying to do too much all at once, we really need to figure out a set of goals to start out with, and work from there.

No, Lindenwald Station, it's 3 blocks from my house.

I just said this on another post, but, in the event it reaches more people... If high prices piss you off, DO SOMETHING about it, contact your representatives, show up to rallies, and fight any anti-legislation. If the anti-gun bills fail to pass, then the panic buying will cease, and prices will come down. If the hit to your wallet motivates you to give $35 to NJ2AS, or join the NRA, or (better yet) both, then do that as opposed to buying one more 15 round magazine. It'll pay off in the long run if we fight to oppose any anti-gun legislation. NOT to mention several NJ bills which propose increasing the fees for FPID, require it to be renewed every 5 years, and which will put a further 5% tax on firearms and ammunition. Contact your representatives, your wallet depends on you. Hell, message me, and I'll provide any contact information I can get for you.

Don't hate on basement dwellers! I'm there now... in my mom's basement... I have to admit, I've seen some prices that seem a bit high here, but I guess we can't pass judgement, if a person can get $X over what the normal price would be, why wouldn't they? If you really object to high prices here, don't complain about it. Instead, contact your representatives and tell them to oppose any anti-gun legislation, show up to the rallies, and DO SOMETHING about it. Because if the high prices piss you off, work to eliminate the cause of the problem- panic buying. If the anti-gun bills in NJ, and the Federal ones are defeated, panic buying will drop off, and prices will come down.

Considering taking the speedline. Anyone know if this is a good idea? I have no clue if it will take me close-by.

Not really afraid of the crime part- If I were killed, my only request would be for NJ2AS, and the people of NJGF to rally around my death due to my inability-under NJ law- to defend myself. I kind of don't feel like antis screaming at me. I'd feel better knowing I wasn't the only pro-gun guy there. And I don't like any city regardless. I'm just weird about that.

Not if he wants to try for president anyway. Not that I'd really like a status-quo gun rights president. I was referring to the federal ban though.