Kaiser7

Actually my thinking is usually this with gun purchases. "Well, if I got this cheaper $300 gun, I could get it sooner! BUT, I could just save that $300 for a little bit longer, and get a BETTER gun!" That's why, stupid as it is, I doubt I'd buy a .22 pistol first. In my mind, it makes more sense to save a little longer, and get a REAL pistol, and then get a .22 later on, with like, a tax return, or from selling some stuff on ebay.

Well, I do property management down in the AC area during the summer, and when not in school. I haven't done MUCH masonry, only repairing a little cinderblock partition. Generally I'd just do home maintenance things, I've repaired broken sofa-beds, Carpet Cleaning, spackling, painting, some minor deck repair, carpet removal. Oh, and appliance clean-up, covering scratches and stuff, building furniture, tearing down walls, removing wall paper (Both with a steam-machine, and with stripper). Building AR15s, doing some minor gun repairs, have some wood-working experience. I've also cleaned up a room where a woman ODed. (Basically, my sister's neighbor let a woman she knew crash at her place, and she overdosed. After the police removed the body and all that stuff, there was a sofa and floor covered in vomit and other stuff. Actually considered trying to get some work cleaning up crime scenes for a while there.) I've also done TONS of landscaping stuff, from general yard clean-up, to cutting down trees (Not huge ones mind you, but one was about 30', the other 20', fairly thin trunks.) , to building compost bins, and setting up garden plots. Usually I'll do whatever I can if it's worth my time, and doesn't get in the way of school. I'm side-lined a bit right now due to my ruptured spleen, I'm not allowed to lift more than 10lbs, but yeah, I've done quite a bit of stuff in my day.

Yeah, don't count them out. Even though he's 90, my poppop is in better shape than most people in their 20s. 15 years ago some kids Toilet Papered his house on mischief night. After yelling at them to stop, and getting some attitude in return, he chased after them and beat the crap out of the one he caught. Granted, he doesn't own any guns, (Well, I guess his Red Ryder is one by NJ standards...) but I guarantee he wouldn't take kindly to the government trying to confiscate them.

Exactly. Apparently it was a big deal for a while. Sociologists had ended up being "Guns for hire" and would basically conduct research biased towards whatever organization was paying them. It still pretty much works like this, I remember the book had stated that "Sociologists should always take care to publish real results, even if they do not agree with their own political ideology. For example Dr. (I forget the name), while more left-leaning personally, published a report that conflicted with his personal beliefs." In the end, I pretty much learned the whole field seems to be skewed towards the left. There are different schools of sociology that focus on different theories on how people interact with one another. The issue is that the most popular school of thought is that of "Conflict Theory". The father of Conflict Theory was Karl Marx, and his writings are taught, and are very influential in the field of sociology.(Actually Conflict Theory extends far beyond just the ideas of Marxism, they also extend to Feminism, and pretty much any ideology where one group oppresses another.) The other issue is that since Sociologists are usually employed by some organization with a goal, they usually HAVE to skew data to keep employed, the example we were given was of a guy who worked for Tobacco companies. See, in fields like biology, that crap wouldn't fly, and anyone caught fudging data would pretty much never be taken seriously again. In sociology, it's pretty much how the game is played, yet their data, in terms of social policy, is taken as hard fact. That's where a lot of groups like the Brady campaign, and VPC get their data. Hell, when we see polls that say "60% of people support the Second Amendment", the real figures could be much higher, it all depends on how the questions were phrased.

I remember a few months back, someone on NJGF told me I was stupid for loading my own .223. Now it's the only way I can afford it, Have tons of brass, a decent bit of primers, some powder, and not enough bullets. I bought the powder and primers for 8mm mauser at the Oaks show, but I haven't had the cash for the dies or bullets. I bet that given the shortage, people would even be willing to buy reloaded ammo. It doesn't help that (well, according to rumor) the government isn't selling once-used brass anymore, opting instead to destroy it.

Have you ever read my user title? This hot college student will work for ammo or guns, figure if any NJGF member were to offer those as payment, I wouldn't feel guilty spending that extra money on that stuff anyway! It's not necessarily the administration. Even though I'm a biology major, I was required to take a "Humanities" course, or Social Science or something. Anyway, I took sociology, and we actually had an extensive discussion on how, when conducting research sociologists are supposed to be VERY careful in how they word their questions, since wording things a certain way easily skews results. It's actually a VERY common tactic for proponents of a certain ideology (on both sides) to have poll questions worded in purposely muddled ways so as to skew the data in favor of their stance. The polling companies really don't give a shit, as long as they get paid. An example of such a question would be, "Do you oppose the use of dihydrogen-monoxide as a food additive?" The wording makes the person being polled more likely to answer "Yes" due to using a chemical name that sounds more threatening than if I said "Water."

TOTALLY beyond my price right now, but I'd love a Luger. I mean that has got to be the coolest handgun ever made. Too bad no company has ever made a quality reproduction, something which baffles me. I mean if they could get a decently priced reproduction, maybe offer them in .45ACP, they'd make a mint. I know some company reproduced them, but apparently they sucked. But the originals are just so damn cool, only drawback being their sights, but they're great because the grip is designed so that as soon as it's brought up out of the holster, it's lined up to shoot. Yeah, I need to make more money, and try for a P226/P229. Of course, with the way NJ is handling PPP and all that jive right now, even if I had the cash, it would be months before I could get one anyway. Still, I'm always of the opinion that any purchase should be thought about for a long time beforehand.

Perhaps I missed out on earlier discussion on this topic, but I was pretty busy with school when American Guns was cancelled. Personally, I'm sort of surprised there wasn't a greater outcry when these shows were cancelled, or put on hiatus. Not only were "Sons of Guns" and "American Guns", as well as the other firearm related programs, fun to watch, but they were a breath of fresh air. Honestly, before "Sons of Guns" I don't remember ever seeing a TV show that focused on guns. And, more importantly, a show that did not portray firearm ownership as a fringe thing, or only portray guns as killing machines, or the tools of criminals. Actually, if anything, I don't know why those shows, which did NOT have any violent content would be considered objectionable, whereas Stallone is releasing a movie called, "Bullet to the Head." I guess we shouldn't be surprised, but it's stupid that the TV shows that focus around hobby shooting would be pulled, yet no television shows or movies with violence were completely pulled. (BTW, does anyone know if either SoG, or AG will return anywhere, with their ratings SOME network must want to pick them up) Probably a waste of time, but I've considered contacting Discovery and bringing this up. Guess I'll just have to wait for the Gun For Hire show, though the more gun programming, the better in my book.

Yeah, It's mind-boggling to me how they see no issue with pumping people full of drugs that can have an insane amount of side-effects, including hallucinations and risks of suicide, but legal guns are an issue. It wouldn't be such an issue even if we did not have this mentality that pills will cure everything, as a result serious drugs are passed out like tic-tacs. Hell, when I was a kid I would get bored in school because it was too easy, and while I did act up a bit, the school basically told my mom they had to put me on medication. The same thing happened to my brother. I mean adderol is essentially methamphetamine, and yet most of the college students I know are able to get a hold of it.

Sorry, double post. The date... is up in the air. It's at SJSC, but due to the Chief Range Officer being very sick, his projects fell to some other people. It was set back in November for February 24th. Unfortunately, the date is unknown now.. As of now only .22LR is allowed, and we'll be shooting at steel. I plan to try and contact the guy and finalize the date. I also have to try and get more students there. It's been pushed back so many times, a lot of people haven't been responding to the updates. Organizing this has been a bit of a nightmare, but I want it to be successful so I can make it a yearly thing. Fortunately I already reload. I forget who, but a member on this board had confirmed my supposition that gun-owners are among the nicest and most charitable people out there. He essentially gave me a Lee turret press (well, I couldn't drive up to North Jersey, so he simply had me pay for shipping, and I bought a few other materials for a good price.) Personally, I love reloading for the simple reason that I can go from having almost no ammo to having quite a bit with a little bit of work. Hell, considering how little I make at my job, the amount of ammo I make per hour is probably worth more than my hourly wage! XD

Oh, I'm an odd case I think. I never grew up around guns, but I've always been fascinated by weapons and history, initially I was into swords. I've been shooting for a few years, and started my FID application soon after turning 18. Generally I've always preferred rifles. I've shot one pistol, and only once. It was a 9mm S&W handgun, but since it wasn't something that had a history attached to it, I really don't remember what it is. Ideally, once I'm more financially secure, I want to start practicing frequently, and get into competition shooting. I think my only problem is that I love so many different types of guns, I'll be a jack of all trades, and a master of none. I'm a pretty good rifle shot though, and while I've never been the biggest handgun guy, I feel as though it would be fun to eventually shoot something different. Weirdly enough, though I'm not entirely sure I want to get a revolver first, I am really interested in getting into cowboy action shooting. I'm not a fan of the Glock. For whatever reason, I trust the polymer 5-7, but not the Glock. My friend was at a range when a Glock blew up. It's the same reason I wouldn't own a motorcycle, because a family friend got really hurt on one.

Got one for Christmas. God knows with him, he stole my last paycheck before not being allowed to work due to my spleen. BTW- how is 10mm ammo? Actually, I probably shouldn't ask, because I imagine not that many guns are chambered in it. I feel as though 9mm can be hard to get in times like this.

Too bad those dumb-dumbs will assume that someone who goes through all the background checks, applications, permits, and all that jive will somehow be a threat.

Damn, I feel bad for the workers of Remington, they wouldn't deserve to suffer the fallout, however, I would love for the company to leave NY. No reason NY should reap the benefits of their business while condemning the consumers, and demonizing their product.

Yeah... that is a habit of mine. I'm not really a "lucky" person. Pretty much every time I start saving a little money, and getting ahead, I have some sort of unexpected expense come up. Plus my brother is an addict and steals money, videogames, pretty much anything he can get. (Before anyone asks, before we kicked him out recently, all my guns were in a safe place where he can't get them, though he did steal my best airsoft gun...) I guess part of it is that talking about this stuff helps me work out the frustration of seeing all the cool stuff I can't have. XD Plus, most of the stuff I like are older surplus guns that are only going to jump up in price by the time I have more disposable income. I figure 43 mausers will be in the $800 range in a few years.

I am a huge fan of the James Bond series. What's sad is, I'm not nearly as into handguns as I am rifles and shotguns. Just imagine how many other guns I want XD

Actually, you probably should so that no one else has to deal with such an experience. Online they were fairly expensive. Then again, thinking about it... Everytime I bought shells before, it was for clay shooting, so I guess the target loads are cheaper than buckshot. I'm really hoping all these bills get defeated, and that the prices really come down. The way stuff is now, I can't afford to shoot really. I guess I really ought to invest in some 8mm mauser dies for reloading... But yeah, I was talking to one of the guys from Bob's the other day. Apparently these conditions aren't as good for gun stores as you'd think. Sales aren't as steady as they usually are, because while sales are up, they can't keep the ARs, SKSes, Mini-14s, and other sporting rifles in stock, and, as a result sales dry up until they get them back in stock. I can only see this situation ending in two ways (assuming the panic ends.) Either the bottom will fall out of the market due to a glut, and prices will drop. Or, the prices will never fall to pre-panic levels. I feel that some places may use the excuse of the panic for a while after supply has normalized to charge higher prices. I feel that it may be like gas however, and ammo will never fall back down to the previous price range.

^^^This. Well I guess I just had my decision made for me. hahaha

This is why I started this thread. I have no real clue. I likely won't get one for a while, but whenever I want to get something, I usually try to think about it for a very long time. I hate buyer's regret. I tend to prefer things that have some military history attached to them. When I go shooting, I like to be shooting a piece of history. I guess I'd like something I could use for HD, and, if I move to a free-state when I'm older, I'd like to have it to carry. And for target shooting. I mean, not to get in the .45 vs. 9mm pissing match, but what are some good pistol calibers to look at?

25 Federal game load. Got it for home defense, didn't want to break the bank, since I don't have that much money. But then again, I realized my HD shotgun won't do much good without any shells. Got them at Bob's Little Sport Shop.

I would like that, but I'd definitely wait till after the rush to shoot a 5-7. Though, the price I've seen on 5-7s is only about $100 more than that of the P226. Then again, I never have a problem buying used, if it's in good shape. I'm surprised they haven't caught on in free states. I mean, 28 round magazines, accurate, and pretty awesome. Wow, our birthdays are pretty close, mine is the 19th. I have no clue what round I want. For some reason, I have a natural tendency to want guns in less common calibers. I really wanted a 6.5 AR, I have an 8mm mauser rifle, I'm not sure if I want a 9mm pistol, I feel like I'd prefer a 10mm. For some reason, I feel like all the common calibers suck, and that the best rounds never catch on haha.

The thing is, I don't think anyone would think about that situation, and then if no one noted how much ammo was in the magazine or something....I feel like it would be very hard for that situation to arise in a way in which people could actually have the evidence needed to bring a case forward. Besides, a state's lawyer could always say "Well, there's no guarantee that one bullet would have hit, or stopped the assailant." Besides, that's why you gotta practice your tactical reloads dawg.

Yeah, I imagine his thinking was this. "Well NJCK will pay me $X for these guns, however, I could probably sell them for $1.5X, or even $2X. If I don't sell them for that high price, I'll sell them to the local guy." Yeah, I mean the situation has really made some people crazy. I was shocked I was able to buy shotshells for $8 the other day. Haha, maybe if someone helps me, I'll get my ffl, I won't do that stuff to you guys XD

And what prices do they NORMALLY go for? I tried looking online, just to get an idea, I'm surprised that they'd cost $1,500

Excellent to hear! I've fondled a few P226s, and P229s, I like them quite a bit. The 5-7 is just awesome, but I know there's no way I could afford it. I would have expected the P226 to be expensive and harder to find. I do like revolvers too, I've never fired one though. I really don't like snub-nose revolvers. Again, I really don't know crap about handguns, I know everyone talks about CZ-this-and-that, which I believe are Czech, but I wouldn't be able to tell them apart.