Kaiser7

Wait, Pizzabob, is that something YOU sent her, or for me to reply to her letter?

Well, I guess at times like this it's an advantage I'm too broke to afford a range membership.... All my ammo sits around forever XD. I still have some of the first ammo I ever bought when I bought my first gun, two years ago.

I can respect that, I wasn't trying to make you feel bad. I just figured that you're the type of person we need to represent us. A gentlemanly, level-headed guy. God knows they're dying for the "Cold Dead Hand" crowd. Don't get me wrong, I believe in that sentiment, but it's not relatable to the average person. If we want our rights to be respected, we, the firearm community, must be respected. We reflect our viewpoints, and when we do stuff like heckle Antis, well, it really makes us, and our principles, look bad.

Any reason you declined? I feel like you being civil to an Anti, and all that would really have been good for Gun-rights. Not to mention that you could have been (likely the only) pro-2A person the news would have aired.

Contact her and mention that, I hadn't even realized it, I was more concerned about buying ammo online, since that's where I get most of my ammo.

This bill prevents you from buying ammo online.

I'm a little broke right now, not being able to work with my injury and all. But I chipped in $10, may not be much, but I'm sure it'll cover something...

Have you guys wondered why so many people have allergies, psoriasis, or seem to get sick all the time? This is exactly why. Now, it's a good idea during a pandemic to take precautions like this, however, with the surge in anti-bacterial sanitizer, and cleaning products we are developing weaker immune systems. Just like a muscle, the immune system is made stronger through use. Every time it encounters, and destroys, a virus or bacteria, it builds up antibodies that are capable of destroying them. That's how vaccinations work. Since our immune systems have, since the beginning of time, always had to fight infections, when there isn't anything for the immune system to fight, it starts attacking the body. That's why most allergy medicines increase the risk of infection, they suppress the immune system. Being super-clean with everything only causes you to be more likely to be sick. OH, and anti-biotics don't work on any viral infections (like the cold or flu), so if you take them when you have a viral infection, you're only helping to make anti-biotic resistant disease. Similar thing happens if you don't finish taking an antibiotic, if you stop part way through, the germs that survive are the ones that are immune to the antibiotic. Sorry for the PSA, as a biology student, It drives me nuts when people do this stuff. Man, schools are ideal for spreading bacteria. I have a pretty good immune system since my mom brings home every sickness that goes around working at a nursing home. I swear though, in high school I never got sick, but at Rowan, I get sick all the time.

Well my sister just got her PPP and FID, so maybe I'll have her buy what I want, and see how it is XD. My brother-in-law and sister pretty much always come to me with any gun-law, or firearm related questions. Thanks to NJGF, I actually have the answers!

This, and using facts. The argument, "It's my constitutional right" holds no water with those who do not view it as a (necessary) right. It's the same as trying to prove God to an atheist using the bible. Use facts, studies, and act calm, rational, and dress nicely. Polos, button-up shirts, Khakis, leave your camo at home.

Carroll is a great guy, and totally pro-gun. If he ever tries to run for something higher, support him.

Just received a letter from Senator Turner. "Thank you for your telephone call expressing your opposition to S2464, which regulates the sale and transfer of rifle and shotgun ammunition. The title of the bill is misleading. I would like to explain the bill to help provide you with a better understanding. The bill prevents individuals who cannot legally purchase a firearm from purchasing rifle or shotgun ammunition. Individuals who cannot legally purchase a firearm are already prohibited from purchasing handgun ammunition; however, the purchase of rifle and shotgun ammunition was inadvertantly excluded fromt he law. The bill has no bearing on individuals who can legally purchase firearms, firearm collectors, or law enforcement officers. I am certain that you will agree that Individuals who have no legal right to purchase a firearm due to their criminal record or mental history should not have access to ammunition for any type of firearm, since their possession of a firearm is illegal. I hope this explanation is helpful to you. I have enclosed a copy of the bill for your review. If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me."

I hope more people see this. If a 2A advocate walks in with camo, a NRA hat, and screams "FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!" It will feed negative stereotypes, and THAT person is the one that the media will focus on, and they will undermine our argument. We need to detail our Second-Class treatment in NJ, and focus on the data which supports our position. Well, it's all stuff I learned in College Comp II, which is basically focused on presenting, and making arguments. Surprisingly even though my teacher was REALLY liberal, she wasn't anti-gun, because she was convinced by our data. I actually used this methodology and have converted several antis by simply structuring my argument with this. Here's an analogy, Let's say you were debating the existence of God with an Atheist. You can't use the bible as the basis of your argument because you have to understand that your opponent doesn't believe in it, and thus, it holds no weight. Likewise, the argument, "You're infringing upon my Second Amendment Rights" isn't effective with Antis because they do not see the value in the Second Amendment. What IS effective is to use data, and to refute studies that are anti-gun (this can be done by pointing out they are older, or were conducted by anti-gun groups). Counter that with FBI statistics, and examples of decreased crime rates since the AWB expired, or in states that adopted concealed carry. It is also good to point out that if bills such as the 5 round magazine limit pass, they instantly turn millions of NJ citizens into instant criminals without any true crime being committed. I'm pretty sure there are rulings against this in the courts, but I'm not sure how to phrase that phenomenon to research it. You can also argue that by restricting online ammo sales, the state is putting us at risk of price gouging my decreasing competition. This runs contrary to the Federal example of the Sherman Anti-trust acts which sought to break up, and prevent cartels that kept prices artificially high. I would also recommend offering other solutions, They are going to have to come up with SOME solutions and suggestions. Instead of restricting our rights, offer other ways to decrease crime. Tell them to increase funding to mental health facilities, and to come up with programs that prevent at-risk youth from joining gangs. Also encourage stiffer penalties from felonies committed with firearms (IE- Robbery, murder, etc.) and which increase prison terms for anyone caught with BOTH illegal Drugs, AND Firearms. Make it clear the solution is not legislating guns themselves, but rather targeting guns that are used for illicit purposes. This undermines the all-too-common assumption that 2A-advocates defend criminals, something which couldn't be farther from the truth. Make the point that we want criminals punished, but we do not deserve to be punished for their actions, and that truly effective legislation will not be targeted at us, but rather at those who use firearms in crime.

I work at a small business, I'm one of 5-6 employees (depending on time of year). ...Not sure if I mentioned it on here, but my boss had threatened to fire me for being pro-gun back in December. I had to put her down for my FID two years ago.

Next thing you know they'll demand a list of all firearms owners in their district.

Due to my current health status, I won't be able to do much....I have to meet with a surgeon Friday to see if I need to have my spleen removed. I promise you, I feel like Shit that I can't do more, and I'm ashamed of myself honestly. So I'll do what I can. For those who plan to speak, or write letters, I have a quick lesson on stuff to keep in mind, on the basic make-up of an argument, and how to effectively argue a point. You're basically getting a free College composition class, in half the time (and without the ultra-lib professor) Parts of an argument- There are three Logos- This is the appeal to logic. Things such as facts, studies, statistics, and all that good stuff. I believe that most 2A supporters tend to neglect this. Anti-groups make themselves appear more "astute" by rattling off statistics. Of course, who sponsers any study is important, and bias should be avoided. As such, avoid articles from the NRA or other groups who have a vested interest, use FBI statistics, things of that nature, or give examples that rely on common sense. Pathos-This is the appeal to emotion. Antis use this one extensively, as we know. We could probably do the same thing, after all, if we can convey the fear one feels when they have no means of protecting themselves in our speeches, that may change minds, and make them more open to listen to the facts. Typically opening with an emotion-based argument, and making an emotional connection to the audience will make them more likely to take what you say seriously. Ethos-Basically your credibility as a speaker, and as an expert on the topic at hand. This extends beyond your words, but also to your body language and how you dress (IE- Don't dress in Camo, or something like that, which will only serve to reinforce negative stereotypes of gun-owners). Practice effective body language, if you're a small business owner, or a doctor, or something like that, bring it up if it will strengthen your argument, work it in there. Ethos also relies on undermining your opposition's credibility (For example, we could point to the numerous examples in the past where gun-control failed to do anything.) A good argument should contain all three. If you stand up there and just rattle-off data, you won't hold the audience's attention. Pathos is really good for establishing a bond with the audience, and getting their attention. Also, I think the best part of Ethos is the non-verbal aspect. Dressing well, not acting like a nut, being calm, collected, but with enough animation to keep the audience's attention, you will really drive your argument home. Anyway, I'm trying to ease some of my guilt at not being able to attend... I suppose if I can't be there, the least I can do is try and help people with their speeches and letters. If there's anything I can do to help anyone with this, let me know.

We need to make sure to get this advice out there. Though I don't agree with it, the Constitutional aspect of the argument doesn't hold much weight---Look at Assemblywoman Jasey's response. If we get there and use facts and statistics that support our position, THAT is what they aren't expecting. Do that, and just as importantly, look for studies which refute the claims of the antigunners. Counter their usual arguments.

...So, do you think it went well for us? I've been anxious all night....

I've been on adderol since I was 6...

Are you kidding, or are you serious? I'm not sure if I should be happy or not XD. Any time, whenever I see stuff I'll post, I thank you, and everyone else who called, emailed, snail-mailed, faxed, etc. You guys are protecting my rights as well as your own;

Well... if you got a giftcard there, you may as well spend it. That way Dick's doesn't make as much profit as they would if you didn't spend the giftcard. They already have the money, to not spend it, then they get more money. Either way, I'd still sooner support a gun-store that supports 2A rights.

Since I shoot 8mm Mauser, and would like to move away from surplus, due to both corrosion, the risk of surplus drying up, and cost. Now, I likely won't do this any time soon, but it is likely something I should start to learn about, and seriously look into. Now, I don't particularly trust solid lead ammo with smokeless powder. I mean, the reason we got away from simple lead bullets to FMJ copper coated lead ammo was due to problems experienced with lead ammo using smokeless powder. I assume the solution would be to use lighter powder charges, but I wouldn't want to risk blowback, and the excess grime in the gun. I'm assuming that there is a way to add the jacket, but I imagine that's a real pain in the ass, and exponentially increases cost, and is another step that things could totally get screwed up in. Not to mention I have no clue what you need, and what safety precautions are necessary when working with lead.

...Basically my peers. Hey, well my age group is like that because of how we were raised---and before someone says I'm being typical of my generation by not accepting responsibility, I'm one of the ones who does! haha! I REALLY want an 870, would trade my New Haven 600AT for one, $525 isn't that good. I believe they were about $425 when I was looking a few months back, and that might have been an express mag. I mean, I'll stop there for clays if in a rush, or if Bob's is closed. Too bad there aren't THAT many stores in my area. And besides, at this point I think people will get their ammo wherever they can find it. Will say the Turkey loads I bought from Bob's were only about $8 for 25 shells (Federal) which is about where it was before as far as I remember.

I'm pretty sure that their phones still work, and if all else fails, just copypasta the email you would have sent to snail-mail. I mean, the hard part is writing the letters and all that jive.

And Manbearpig!