msg73

Squib won.... My friend's G19 with KKM barrel. He wasn't hurt but totalled his barrel. Crazy thing was that he had squib rods in his range bag. He just didn't realize he had a squib until it was too late. If in doubt, stop can check everythign over.

In...

I'm in...I got the green light from the wife

Any info on stages?

Can you shoot multiple guns/divisions?

No problem...although I don't know if I saved all that much as I had to meet up at three different places to deliver the stuff.

I look for the following (order of importance to me): 1) Accurate/Meters well - Want something that I can get consistent powder drops...this leads to better accuracy 2) Soft recoiling - This generally means a faster powder 3) Clean - The less soot I have to clean and less often the better. Although I clean my guns often, it's a quick process vs tedious scrubbing. 4) Less temp sensitive - not a big deal but wouldn't want to have to change the amount of powder depending on seasonal temps. Or have to run at a higher PF to account for it. While price is also important, powder is the least expensive component (besides free pickup brass). The extra cost of N320 is only a fraction of a penny more per round. There are several powder burn rate chart out there. Not all order them the same but you can get a general idea. You should determine the qualities you find important to you and find something that best fits the bill...then stick with it and get to learn how to shoot it well.

CX4 Storm or build your own 9mm AR

FYI - if there's less than 9 people, it's just an informal practice night. I think there has only been one or two nights this entire summer that was a regular scored match.

Too bad it wasn't blue. When I heard red, the first thing that came to mind was Lee.

The 'perfect' load is very subjective. Some experiment with all different types of powder and bullet weights while some go with popular 'recipies' and just stick with it. What are you trying to achieve? If you tell us what you're looking for, people can chime in to tell you their experiences...which would shorten the time experimenting. Also, what calibers will you be reloading? Aside from cost, I like N320 for 9mm minor and 40 minor/major. It has a fairly soft recoil impulse, accurate, clean burning, meters well and not too temp sensitive. There may be some powders that may be better in some categories but I haven't heard of any that has it beat in all categories. IMHO, if the price of N320 was the same as most other powders ($15-$17 per lb), then I would think you would see a vast majority using it. Edit: I read from your other thread that you're focusing on 9mm. I shoot 4gr of N320 with a Montana Gold 124gr CMJ bullet at 1.15". I've tried a friend's load of N320 with a 147gr bullet and it was SOFT...but I settled on the 124gr as I felt I was faster with it.

I'm not sure why people are overly concerned with starting off with a progressive press for reloading pistol rounds. A single stage or turret press may be better for high accuracy rifle rounds but can be time consuming for cranking out pistol rounds . If you shoot a reasonable amount, you'll probably end up with a progressive press at some point anyway. If new to reloading, you can start off by putting only one shellcase on the shellplate and monitor each stage until you're comfortable with each function and confirm that everything is calibrated properly. The most important stage is the powder drop. You want to pay very close attention so you don't double charge (kaboom) or under charge (squib), especially if you have to stop and restart the process if an issue pops up. You can also get a 'powder cop' type die to monitor powder drops if the press can support it. Primers can be a pain sometimes but you'll learn to 'feel' when a primer isn't seated properly and stop before you drop the powder and make a mess.

Order placed. FYI - all 209 shotshell primers are 3lbs/1k. I reduced my order by 2lbs to not go over 50lbs. Everyone else should get what they've asked for. Also, I didn't factor the $4.50 insurance but no big deal...I'll just eat it as my order is the largest I'll notify everyone once it gets delivered. Thanks everyone.

Got everyone's payment. Going to place the order tomorrow. Want to confirm weight of primers with PV...everything should add up to 50lbs on the nose if the primers are 1lb per 1k.

Payment received from Rob0115 and milkstatus. I will reach out to jaii today. I'll let everyone know once I've placed the order.

Ok. milkstatus now has 5lbs of powder. We've reached our quota for powder. I'll place the order as soon as I get payment from everyone. Thanks, Mike

No problem Jason...I would have been annoyed too. Can't do the bullets as it would put us way over the 50lbs. Here's the current totals: Rob0115 - 3lbs powder, 1k primers (confirmed) jaii - 8lbs powder, 1k primers (confirmed, but may want another 1k primers) msg73 (me) - 16lbs powder, 10k primers milkstatus: 4lbs powder, 4k primers (confirmed) Total: 31lbs powder and 16lbs primers = 3 lbs left but 1lb need to be powder to reach the 32lb minimum. Anyone want it? If not, I'll just pickup another pound to cover it. Thanks to bry@n for stepping down to make way for milkstatus. I will be PM'ing each of you to discuss payment and pick-up/delivery options. It would be great if we can all meet at the same time somewhere in Bergen county or at Cherry Ridge, Bullet Hole or Tenafly RPC.

I think you're mistaken or I didn't get your PM...Please check your PM history. On Sept 5th you PM'd me: "Hello just wondering if you were still doing the group buy, I have a list of things I would like to purchase, let me know. -Jason" On Sept 6th I replied: "Hi Jason, Yes, I'm still planning to do the group buy. Powder Valley is having a special...no hazmat if we order over 32lbs of powder. What are you looking to get? I'll probably need you to get at least 8lbs of powder. Mike" I haven't recevied anything since. I have no reason to exclude/ignore you. I placed priority based on order of responses with exactly what people wanted so I can check availability. That said, please send me what you're looking for as not everyone has confirmed. Mike

I'm looking to place the order this week. Here's what I have so far (checked PV to see what's in stock): Rob0115 - 2lbs powder, 1k primers jaii - 8lbs powder bry@n - 8lbs powder. Out of stock on your primers msg73 (me) - 16lbs powder, 10k primers Total: 34lbs powder + 11k primers (1lb/1000) = 45lbs. Have 5lbs left. bry@n, let me know if you want to get another type of primer. milkstatus/djg0770 - sorry, looks like were full. If bry@n doesn't want primers, I'll reach out to you. milkstatus is first in line then djg0770. Once I get confirmation and payment, I'll place the order and work out delivery/pick-up with each of you. Shipping will be around $5 each and no hazmat Thanks, Mike

Good to see another bergen county shooter. It's tough living up here as all the fun places are further south.

I'm really interested to know if the following would be considered legal. I have a friend that has a house in PA and can get mags shipped there and work on them. - Fabricate base pad retainer plates out of carbon fiber and drill a hole where the nub would be to secure the base pad - Insert a round head machine screw (the screw head serves as the nub to secure the base pad) through the carbon fiber base pad retainer - Place a metal tube of the appropriate length over the screw and epoxy it to the fabricated base pad retainer - Put some epoxy on the screw threads and screw on the nut to hold it all together - Not sure if this is necessary, but I could also solder the nut to the metal tube Now this seems like a more complicated version of the 'wooden dowel' method, but thought that since the metal limiting tube is screwed/epoxied/soldered to the base pad retainer that this would be considered 'permanent'. You could argue that this is not permanent as it could still be removed, but now you're removing a standard component of the mag (base pad retainer) making it not a complete/assembled mag. Does this make sense? I don't mind doing the work but don't want to waste my time in doing something that still wouldn't be considered legal.

There's a guy online (rrages) that sells 15 round M&P15-22 mags. Looks like he uses the factory 25rd mags and drills a small hole on one side, inserts a pin to limit to 15rds and fills the hole with epoxy. Also, many multi-position AR type stocks are pinned in a similar way. I've read it's important to not have the hole drilled all the way through as to not be able to push it out with a punch...making them 'permanent'

For those looking for mostly primers, I want to give the people who order powder higher priority. Once I get the 32lbs covered, I can then see what we can do for primer only/mostly orders.

Yes, Powder Valley is waiving the hazmat if we get 32 lbs of powder. I've received some pm's from people interested but need to get a final count. I'm good for 12-16lbs of powder and 6k primers. PM me with what you want. I want to keep it under 50lbs, so will cutoff when we reach the limit.

Glad it worked out for you. For arguments sake: 2C:58-3 Purchase of Firearms a. Permit to purchase a handgun. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of, nor receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a handgun unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a dealer under this chapter or has first secured a permit to purchase a handgun as provided by this section. This says you can't receive/purchase a handgun unless you've secured a p2p first. He has a p2p so this law isn't broken if he purchased the gun. c.Who may obtain. No person of good character and good repute in the community in which he lives, and who is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in this section or other sections of this chapter, shall be denied a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card, except as hereinafter set forth. No handgun purchase permit or firearms purchaser identification card shall be issued: (4)To any person under the age of 18 years for a firearms purchaser identification card and to any person under the age of 21 years for a permit to purchase a handgun; This highlights that the PD 'broke the law' for issuing the p2p to someone under 21 but doesn't state any laws broken for the person receiving the p2p. So, what laws would the OP break if he got the gun?