Underdog

G19. Or M&P 9C or Shield.

Do these come in a 4-inch barrel size?

I think it depends on whether or not you are actually going to practice. Right now,.I don't think .22LR ammo or 9mm is still readily available and at a good price (I could be wrong). If you are going to practice (and/or have the means to do so immediately, ammo, range, etc), then it would make sense to get something in .22LR. If you go that route, I would suggest a Ruger 22/45 Lite for ultimate versatility. For accuracy and durability, I would suggest a Ruger Mark III Target or Hunter (all stainless), or a Ruger Mark II. I would get either the 4" or 5.5" barrelled models. If you just don't like the Rugers, I would suggest an older quality Browning Buckmark. And, you cannot go wrong with a DA/SA .22LR stainless revolver... Ruger SP101, S&W Model 317 or 617. But, you should try the DA trigger and the ability to cock the hammer, etc. before buying. Lastly, you might want to consider either a SIG 1911-22 or a S&W M&P 22. Personally, out of all of these, I like the ergonomics and enjoy shooting the M&P 22 the most, especially with the upgraded fiber optic front sight. If you are not going to practice a lot, or more expensive ammo is not going to limit your practicing, or if ammo shortages are going to continue for a while, then you might as well get another defensive handgun and not worry about getting the .22LR, yet. The Beretta is a nice gun. It is a full-size 9mm. So, I would consider getting something a little more compact. Do you want to expand into another caliber? Or, are you OK with 9mm. If you want a different caliber then you would want to consider .38/.357, 9mm, .40S&W, .45 ACP. You haven't mentioned your budget... There are many people that would choose a nice 1911. On a budget, I would consider a S&W 1911, Ruger SR1911, or maybe an STI Spartan. I would probably choose something different, though. My first choice would be a Glock 19 GEN4. It has adjustable grips, slightly less recoil than a GEN3, and you can grip the handgun higher up because of the slight cutout on the trigger guard. Or, you could get a Glock 23 GEN4 and get a few 9mm glock mags and a conversion barrel. You could also get a .22LR conversion kit. Then you would have a gun that could shoot .22LR, 9mm, and .40S&W. calibers. It would also give you the smaller more compact size to compliment the full-size Beretta and it has all of the positives of owning a Glock... durability, reliability, aftermarket parts, dependability, etc.. A Glock GEN3 would also work quite nicely. I would stick with a compact instead of a full-sze because of NJ and magazine limitations. And, it has more versatility. There are many other guns that would work instead of a Glock and that would mostly be personal preference. SIG 226, 229; Springfield Armory XD/XDM, Ruger SR9, SR9C; CZ 75B family, or S&W M&P 9/9C. I would get a Glock 19 or Glock 23, but my second choice would be a S&W M&P 9 or 9C out of all of the above. If price wasn't a consideration, I might consider a SIG 229. And, then the other route would be a revolver. In particular, I would look for a double/action stainless revolver with a 3 or 4" barrel in .357 that would also be able to handle .38s for versatility. For versatility, I would get a Ruger SP101 with Hogue grips, but a Ruger GP100 or a S&W 686 would work very nicely, as well. Out of all of your options, I would look to see what is available, and maybe try it out. And while doing that, I would put another set of permits in. By the way, you should be able to get more than just one at the time of application and with renewal they should be good for 180 days. I also would not overlook a quality used gun in good shape. That way if you change your mind and want something different, you can sell it later on without losing too much money on the whole deal, or in at least breaking even. Lastly, I believe someone had a Beretta 87 Cheetah .22LR on the forum, used, that might be a really nice way to compliment the Beretta 92 if it is still available and if you like the hammer-fired DA/SA semi-auto style. Some might even want to get a 2nd copy of their primary handgun. Or, maybe the compact version that came out last fall might make sense. As for me, I would get a Ruger 22/45 Lite followed by a Glock 23 GEN4 and a 9mm conversion barrel and mags. I would presently skip something in .45 ACP unless you have a stockpile. But, you cannot go wrong with a nice .357 revolver if you want to stock and or have more ammo versatility.

I think you are right, plus this is a jack-of-all trades and not really good at any one thing. It would have a lot of versatility if there was combat accuracy out to 100 yards with the inserts, but that probably wouldn't happen with those 3-5" inserts. I think you can also get/make a black powder setup for it as well since it is a double-barrel shotgun and that would add to the versatility, but accuracy? However, I would choose something nicer than a Stoeger to start out with if I was going to make one of these. Although I like shotguns, I find them heavy and shells too heavy/bulky and would not consider one for a bugout gun on the move and/or on foot. If say a 14" barrel was legal that would be neat, though. But still I would rather have it only in a set location, or from a vehicle. I guess it would really come down to what else you could carry that would be an effective replacement, and the key would be 1 gun. I think for ultimate versatility and if money, unconstitutional States, etc. were not issues, the new Colt 901 .223/.308 combo would be the best choice, and again, maybe coupled with a Glock 23 and a .22LR conversion kit, 9mm barrel, and a Ruger 10/22 TD model. But, that would still be (3) guns. One gun just doesn't seem to be able to do it all, but the versatility of a shotgun does come close. If the inserts for a pump shotgun work well, then that might be a better choice. However, you would still only have an effective "snub-nose" barrel for all of those other calibers.

Maybe the newer ones are OK, I don't know, but the older ones are pieces of Schumer.

You can get tubes that are longer 10, 12, 18" inches, but you would still have a problem with sights, etc. And the longer inserts are definitely costly. You can even get a set of inserts that supposedly work in a pump action shotgun. It wouldn't be my first choice, either, I would rather have a Glock 23 w/ a 9mm barrel and a Ruger 10/22 TD. I would like a Savage 24 in the right caliber combo, though, as one was suggested earlier in this thread. I would rather have a Savage 12 gauge/.223 and get the 12 or 18" 22LR insert... and maybe get the inserts for a 410, 20 gauge. I wonder if the 410 insert will also allow you to shoot .45 Colt? And, if you had a single or double shot shotgun, you could get a 12" 9mm conversion. That would be a "cheap" way to get a 9mm long-gun. I wonder what the accuracy would be like. With the gun in the article, I don't think I would want just a slip-on cover for the stock. And, the compass seems silly.

I don't know if I would agree, but this is pretty cool... Is This the Ultimate Survival Gun?

The media actually called it a home invasion and not an aggravated burglary! I wonder what kind of rap sheet this POS has?

I think the bluing has lead in it. You cannot put Chinese barrels in your mouth.

Ruth's Chris Steak House in Weehawken should cut it and take some change off your hands.

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Love the Shield. Wish a long-slide version came out and full-size single-stack mags were available for reloads.

Very nice... I have my eyes open for a 20 gauge.

I'd have to go with a full-size Glock in whatever caliber you can do follow-up shots with.

While waiting for fingerprinting for out-of-state CCW, struck up a conversation with officers at police station. I asked them what they carried and we discussed the pros and cons. Seemed to be decent and supportive.

It's sad when you have an imposed limit due to a signficant other and due to safe size, etc.. I'd much prefer your realization. Perhaps there is some wiggle room for upgrading...

If you don't have a revolver in .45 ACP, I recommend the S&W 625. As far as the others go, I would look at a S&W M&P 45, or maybe the Baby Eagle II polymer or steel...

How far in is it?

He probably already has a criminal record, but because the State and those law-abiding attorneys aren't willing and able to keep this sludge from harming the public, this woman had to get harmed. Time to get a nanny cam.

Lever guns are nice, but Henry seems to fall short. The Henry is fairly difficult to repair and bulk ammo sometimes does not function well in it. Additionally, it is a little on the expensive side for the sheet metal gun you are getting. The "receiver" on a Henry lever action .22 is, in fact, a sheet metal cover over cast zamak working parts. I'd still buy one if I found one at a reasonable price for what it is, as I am sure it is one fun little gun. But, if I am going to spend the money, I would much prefer something like a Marlin Model 39A, Uberti, etc.

I would suggest a used Glock 19 for about $450, or a S&W M&P 9C or 9 full size for about the same. Glock is the standard and you can get parts, magazines, etc. for it. It's tough to find and expensive to get M&P magazines and the M&P platform is not has proven. Therefore, I think a Glock is the most cost-effective choice, and slightly better on resale, although I am not so sure. However, I do like the feel of the M&P in hand. Really, though, I would look for a used gun from a private seller. For example, it might not be your first choice, but there was a FNP 9 for sale in the listings with a number of magazines and that would work. There was also an M&P 9C for sale as well. Look for a used gun bargain... Glock, S&W M&P, Ruger, Beretta, Springfield Armory, FNH, etc.. And, you might save enough to get a .22LR as well before your permit runs out. You can get a .22LR carbine and a shotgun at a later point and time.

Ontario Knives Aire Force Survival knife on sale... This appears to be a great price. http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-Knives-Force-Survival-Sheath/dp/B001C443VA/ref=sr_1_2/175-5284024-9697647?ie=UTF8&qid=1372260987&sr=8-2&keywords=ontario+knives+air+force

This is why I have a big dog near by. He would certainly bide me some time.

In NJ, it sounds like we need a list of trusted Pro-Second Amendment mental health officials who know the laws and that aren't going to over-react and that value the right to keep and bear arms but that will assess and treat someone with mental illness.

I like Glocks... I dislike the triggers. That little center part always rubs my index finger the wrong way.