Midwest

How about Harbor Freight? I Googled Harbor Freight Howell NJ Places for Harbor Freight near Howell, NJ Harbor Freight Tools www.harborfreight.com 2770 Hooper Avenue #1 Brick (732) 477-5300 Harbor Freight Tools www.harborfreight.com 1550 North Olden Avenue Ewing Township (609) 392-0764 Harbor Freight Tools www.harborfreight.com 675 U.S. 1 #15 Iselin (732) 634-0873 More results near Howell, NJ »

Have there been any efforts over the years to get rid of the P2P and or FID and just go with straight NICS? The only information I have are just the laws that were passed, but I don't have any information that was proposed but not passed. I would have assumed once 1968 GCA was passed, somebody would have made a proposal or two over the years to gut the FID/P2P system and just go with NICS.

There have been stories here (and elsewhere on other gun forums) about a time when schools had "Rod and Gun" clubs, some kids would have their rifles with them in order to target shoot after school or on the way home. I have seen stories of someone bringing his rifle to the school's wood shop in order to redo the stock. I have seen other stories where they bring their rifles to school in order to go hunting after. At one time this was perfectly normal and accepted as a rite of passage toward adulthood and responsibility. This wasn't all that long ago, some of us remember it ourselves or remember hearing it from our older siblings. You can use these points and facts and bring it up to the teacher, principal and any others involved. Maybe if someone has any old school programs, pamphlets or yearbooks that showed 'rod and gun clubs', 'shooting matches' after class, 'firearm safety and training', it would go a long way to help illustrate and bring home some points. Perhaps these days, teachers and maybe even principals have no clue that firearms were once considered a part of the school curriculum. You pay their salary through taxes, let them know how you feel. Good Luck

What other forums?

There has been talk for awhile for a number of states to secede from the U.S. So far nothing has come of it. Among them are Texas and Vermont. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Secession_Movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vermont_Republic From Georgia, I find this most telling "Georgia: On April 1, 2009, the Georgia State Senate passed a resolution 43-1 that affirmed the right of states to nullify federal laws. The resolution also included the assertion that if Congress took certain steps, including restricting firearms or ammunition, the United States government would cease to exist."

In the remote, very remote chance they managed to pass some registration legislation or 'confiscation'. The U.S. doesn't have a pot to piss in to financially implement such a radical gun control scheme, and no resources to go the proverbial "door to door" for 'enforcement'... Look what happened in Canada, there are less people in that country, and they have lower gun ownership as well and they could not manage it. Canada spent a well over a billion dollars on their gun registration and even then there was very low compliance. http://www.saf.org/journal/15/abilliondollarslater.pdf Only 25 to 30% Complied Page 20/49 "Compliance with registration, the most objectionable part of the Act, came only grudgingly. By mid-December, 2001, only 312,000 gun owners, less than 18% of the 1.76 million owners then licensed, had so far registered 1.9 million guns, including previously registered handguns. As registrations increased, by late April, 2002, 1,034,376 licensed owners had registered 3,725,195 firearms.38 This included slightly over half of then-licensed owners but only 25-30% of the best estimates of firearms numbers.." The cost was astronomical "It is quite possible by now that the grand-total of all-government costs of the Firearms Act may already even approach $2-3 billion." Protest A person from Manitoba went so far to protest the 'system' by successfully registering his soldering gun. They decided not to prosecute him. They discontinued the registration in Canada. It was unpopular, unworkable, costly and not many complied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry "On February 15, 2012 Bill C-19 was passed in the House of Commons (159 to 130) with support from the Conservatives and two NDP MPs. On April 4, 2012 Bill C-19 passed third reading in the Senate by a vote of 50-27 and received royal assent from the Governor General on April 5............"

CB radio is another option, when the cell phones go down. Truckers still use them, and they are the ones that usually know which fuel stops have fuel, what roads are impassable, what the road conditions are, what is causing the traffic jam, and can relay emergency messages out if need be. CB radio is cheap, a new basic model can run $40 or used on E-Bay for $15 to $25. Antennas can be had from $15 and up. Amateur radio is another option but a license is needed.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Same here ......

Whatever it is worth, my state...Kentucky...61% went for Romney , and the next state closest to me... Indiana ...also went to Romney. Well, y'all can head over here for a spell...until the New Madrid Earthquake happens...then we all could climb over the rubble and head to Arizona or Texas...

I would suggest getting two generators, One in the 5000 watt+ range and another around 1000 watts. #1 If one generator fails, you still have another # 2 During low power demands, during the day just to run the fridge or freezer..use the 1000 watt generator to save fuel. #3 The larger generator can be used to run sump pumps (when needed), the fridge, freezer, lights and portable heater if needed. #4 A family member needs to borrow a generator for some basic electricity, lend them the 1000 generator. # 5 Use the 1000 watt generator to charge deep cycle batteries and waste less fuel than the 5000 watt generator. #6 A smaller generator can run a small window air conditioner in a pinch .

There is a thread about it on THR http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=683849 "Is Cerakote Dangerous?"

Sales of alcohol are banned here KY while the polling places are open. http://www.wtvq.com/content/localnews/story/Police-Reminder-No-Alcohol-Sales-While-Polls-Are/CbQyoOPrlk694Vnie48W-w.cspx

If you are interested how we vote here in KY. Here in KY an ID is required to vote (drivers license or ss card or I think birth certificate) and it is a combination of paper and electronic voting. My local voting place is the Firehouse. You get a paper and fill in with a black pen a box next to your candidate that you vote for, there are spaces for the, party lines (vote all rep or dem ), individual spaces for the candidates, spaces for the 'write ins', ballot initiatives and so on. When you are done, you go to this machine (looks like a copier/fax) , feed your ballot in (like you would a fax machine or printer) and when the American Flag comes up on the screen ..your vote is counted. And you get one of those 'I voted' stickers. KY polling places runs from 6 am to 6 pm. KY has its strange laws, one of them is that alcohol can't be sold while polls are open. The Kroger supermarket has the beer section roped off during this period. I think South Carolina is like this too. http://www.wtvq.com/...4Vnie48W-w.cspx

Already done here in KY.

A bit of History... During the LA riots, even the anti-gunners decided it might be a good thing to get a firearm. Except in California there was a 15 day waiting period. How ironic....the anti-gunners wanted to get a firearm for protection but could not because of the very anti-gun laws that THEY were in favor of! http://nrasbmc.blogspot.com/2012/05/los-angles-riots-1992-know-your-rights.html This week marks the 20 year anniversary of the 1992 Los Angeles Riots. The riots lasted for 5 days. The nation and the world saw one of the largest cities in the United States fall into anarchy and chaos. There was no law enforcement or government to protect us because the scale of lawlessness expanded beyond their capability to provide services. Law abiding citizens in and near the riot area were caught in the crossfire. Over fifty people lost their lives. It was an instant wake up call for many Los Angeles residents. Even those that were ardently anti-gun found themselves in their local gun store to purchase their first firearm only to be told by the staff that there was a 15 day waiting period. Too long of a wait if you are going to be a victim. In the most poetic irony, it was the immigrant Korean community that understood this the best. They understood their Constitutional Right better than most Los Angeles residents. That is why the pictures of Korean shop owners with firearms defending lives and protecting their businesses became iconic. Lest we forgot, they were there to remind us. Uploaded with ImageShack.us

A NJ friend via Facebook mentioned Mystic Island. She intially said that she was told that her shore house was destroyed, but then later she posted pictures which looked like things were thrown around in the storm with what appears to be minor damage. Uploaded with ImageShack.us

I think some crews from Ohio and Kentucky that are in NJ are from "Duke Energy" my local utility.

All I have is from a CBS2NY site http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11/02/christie-shoreline-destruction-heartbreaking-for-every-new-jerseyan/ On the issue of gasoline, Christie called the situation a “tale of two states” that was separated by I-195. “South of 195, ninety-five percent of stations are open and operating. North of 195, twenty-five percent of stations are open and operating,” Christie said. Gas companies Gulf and Hess both said they would deliver gas with the National Guard and FEMA to any gas station that is out of gas, the governor said Friday afternoon

How large of a generator would be needed for the average gas station? Are there any stations with back up generators in New Jersey? I would think after a couple of days or a week the generator would be paying for itself. If need be couldn't a gas station owner who has a friend with a 10KW Generator or so just borrow the generator and get an electrician to install a transfer switch for a couple of hundred dollars and be good to go?

I would say that I can't , but I would if there was a gas station open a mile away....

One of the local FFL's could offer to buy the firearms from her and she could be just rid of them if that is what she really wants to do. Isn't there a sponsor here who is an FFL up that way that might be willing to make her an offer?

However in 1927 New Jersey started its own regulations for Machine Guns Chapter 95 Laws of 1927 Page 180-182 Machine Guns need to procure and possess a license to purchase. Apply at the Court of Common Pleas of the county where the applicant resides for a license to purchase have and possess a machine gun. Application shall be in writing and shall state the reasons for needing one. Application presented to the judge and to the sheriff, the judge at his discretion may issue a license. Exceptions for law enforcement.. http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/cgi-bin/diglib.cgi?collect=njleg&file=151&page=0180&zoom=90 (Note this was the second time that NJ had a firearms law that stated that a 'need' was required for a issue for a license. The first was in 1924 when 'need' was required for obtaining the conceal carry permit. Also interestingly the 1927 'NJ Machine Gun Law' predated the 1934 National Firearms Act, as did the 1966 'Firearms ID Card Law' predated the 1968 Gun Control Act . In addition air guns were banned in 1958 in NJ and air guns were allowed back with the 1966 FID law.)

"Justified Need" started when the conceal carry permit law began in 1924. You would have to apply to your Police Chief Or Sheriff and then they would present it to a district Judge who would give the final approval. A reason was needed to justify the conceal carry permit. Handgun Registration also started at the same time In addition this act also started registration of handguns purchased in NJ and a copy of the register would be 'personally delivered' to the chief of police or the county clerk if there was no chief of police. http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/cgi-bin/diglib.cgi?collect=njleg&file=148&page=0305&zoom=90 Chapter 137 Laws of 1924 Page 305 – 308 >Concealed carry permit now needed. Establishes Record of Sale, Registry, signature of buyer and seller, duplicate needs to be delivered to chief of police, penalties include a high misdemeanor, 24 hour waiting period, no sales after 3 pm. Up to 20 conceal carry permits for your employees Presidents of banks and trust associations, loan institutions, can make application for (up to) 20 permits for the employees,agents, messengers and clerks. Exemptions Does not apply to State Police or any motor vehicle inspector… other exemptions included canal police, railway police, steamboat police, prosecutors, assistant prosecutors, fish and game wardens..... Approved March 11 1924 . Went into effect July 1 1924

I wonder if they also consider a bible study group meeting in someones home as a church.

The worst started in 1966 spearheaded by then NJ Attorney General Arthur Sills. In the hearings (which I still have to publish yet here) he gave a litany of 'reasons' for ram rodding the FID law through and he said he was working on an anti-gun bill back even further since 1963. Sills also admitted helping Dodd of CT with a 'National Gun Control Bill', later known as the 1968 Gun Control Act. It isn't just 1966, it starts before that, I found an requirement for a purchase permit for handguns goes back to 1954. Some believe all this stems back from an 1947 Constitutional Convention which did not address the right to bear arms in the NJ Constitution. 1958 Airguns were banned in NJ, but bought back with the 1966 FID card. At one time people used to open carry in parts of the state, that seemed to end in 1966. Here is some articles I wrote on the history of gun control in NJ leading up to 1966. I found old magazines of "American Rifleman" online through the "Cheaper Than Dirt" site. (They have now made them unavailable). But I later found Rutgers Online with all the NJ laws for any particular year, and that was a goldmine of information. http://www.thehighro...p/t-636782.html http://cemeterysgunb...-gun-part-deux/