Midwest

Kentucky is a huge state with something for everyone. In KY if you have over 10 acres, your property can be assessed at the much lower agricultural rate. I have a friend with 20 acres here and he pays under $300 a year with a trailer on it. Gun laws are good, land is inexpensive, fireworks, stun guns,bb guns and slingshots allowed, NFA items allowed. Elk hunting in Southern and Western KY. Bear in the Southeast toward the mountains. Deer are nice and tall and plentiful. If you like boating and fishing there is Lake Cumberland in the Southern portion as well as the Ohio River to boat on. No major toll roads or bridge tolls. From Northern KY...Indianapolis, Columbus Ohio, Louisville, Lexington all 2 hours or less by car and speed limit is 70 mph on I-75 and Tenn border about 3 hours. With only three major cities Louisville, Lexington and Covington...most of KY is rural, and you will see more horses, cattle and deer than people further out. it doesn't snow all that much compared to the East Coast, though it will be colder in the winter..but less humid in the summer. They tax your vehicle and boat yearly, but the lower property taxes offsets that. We pay less property taxes than those in Ohio where they don't tax vehicles and boats yearly. Gather up some hunting buddies and buy some land out here $100,000 could get you 40 to 50 acres if not more. Open carry OK, concealed with permit, loaded pistol in the car with or without permit OK. Depending where you are, Kentucky could be considered the Mid South, Midwest or South. Casino gambling just across the river in Indiana. There are some dry counties here that will not sell alcohol, don't think anyone ever got in trouble for bringing it in for private consumption.

If you were planning to move from New Jersey, where would you move to? Why would you move? When would you move?

If the NRA is not supporting NJ gun owners, then cancel or don't renew the membership. If I lived there and the NRA turned its backs like they have in the past and again now, there is no way in hell I would support them. Perhaps NJ gun owners need to join up with gun owners in other anti states such as Illinois, Massachusetts , New York, Maryland, Hawaii and start your own National Pro 2A group. Call it Coalition for Self Defense, everyone would help each other out in some way or another. This could be a way to get many people involved because the common theme would be to reform gun laws in anti 2A states and help keep the states from coming up with asinine proposals such as the ammo ban. Right now there are proposals in Illinois to ban certain semi automatic firearms including Glocks. In West Virginia there is proposed legislation for a one gun a month 'rationing'. Don't think Kentucky is immune either. Some people are being detained or arrested for open carrying despite the law saying otherwise. Unlike other states, people in Kentucky cannot conceal carry in their own house or on their own property without a conceal carry license. If you do have a CCW permit, the state police does monthly NICS checks on CCDW holders. Some see it as a good thing...I have reservations about it frankly.

Has anyone contacted Gun Owners of America? If so was there a response? Did GOA put out an alert about this?

I'm curious too, I saw a whole bunch of BB guns at Meijers today while food shopping. They do however lock up the handgun ammo behind the glass and have to find someone to open it up. Meijers is like a regional KMart, but better. They are in MI,IL,IN,OH and KY.

The problems with this (and there are many), is that it is impossible to just go over to PA or DE to buy a pistol just because NJ happens restricts them or makes them difficult to obtain. Just on that one point, a NJ Supreme Court ruling about firearms would have to be invalid..because the NJ Supreme Court cannot invalidate the 1968 GCA by telling citizens they can purchase pistols in the neighboring state.

We are all in this together no matter where in the U.S. we are. Another suggestion to post this information at.... Is anyone a member of the AR15.com forums? They have 217,000 active members! And did anyone post at Gun Owners Of America? I am not a member... What about http://www.nraila.org/ ?

Is anyone a member of Gun Owners of America? Post there too, and get them to do an alert...

Midwest (quote) "I don't live in New Jersey, but I can spread this information to other sites if it will help any." Done. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477044 http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7915057#post7915057 http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?99370-New-Jersey-Gun-Owners-Needs-Your-Help!&p=1691474#post1691474 http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f97/new-jersey-gun-owners-needs-your-help-56497/#post691982

I don't live in New Jersey, but I can spread this information to other sites if it will help any.

I still believe that in order to overhaul the gun laws in New Jersey, another law must take its place. Part of a success of a new gun law overhaul is that new law must have repealers in there. I agree that a CCW bill/legislation is a great idea. In my opinion, the CCW legislation will remain that...a great idea until you get some politicians on board, more people on board, a mass education of the populace. I think what would get a lot of attention across the board is a comprehensive new gun law is written to replace/repeal the ENTIRE swath of antique gun laws still plaguing NJ gun owners on the books since 1898, 1912, 1924, 1958, 1966, 1990 (take your pick). The 1966 FID laws (and earlier) should have been thrown out after 1968 GCA came in. (Other than the challenge in 1968 with Burton vs. Sills,) I don't have information if there was an attempt to replace the State Law 1966 FID law system with only the 1968 GCA as the State gun law. 68 GCA worked in most of the states of the U.S. as the primary gun law. (Please: I am no fan of 1968-GCA or any gun control act for that matter. I am just using 1968 GCA as a illustration that Sills 1966 could have been repealed in favor of 1968 GCA). I can even start the draft myself..... anyone can. Just start writing a draft for a new gun law initiative today. Start a separate thread here, call it Gun Law Draft thread and let everyone put their collective minds together. We have LEO's and lawyers here to give their expert opinions on which way the bill should go. Pick another state, say Florida...and start a draft based on their gun laws. (I would say Kentucky or Arizona but that won't fly in Trenton)...Florida would be a good choice because a lot of people from the Northeast moved their over the years. Florida has big cities, it is made up of diverse population demographics like NJ, and some areas in the state has a high population density, it has concealed carry and some good laws dealing with criminals. But whatever direction one would go, the first thing the gun bill should have is ...repealers (that is a NJ legal term used in the legislation I have looked at, it means sentences and paragraphs repealed). Bottom line, in my opinion a complete overhaul top to bottom is needed. Repeal Sills 1966 outright and replace it with the Federal NICS or State POC NICS. That is where to start the new GUN LAW draft thread....but start the thread... it can snowball from there... The arguments for repealing the assault weapons ban and the mag limit is that the ban had ZERO effect on crime (show facts and figures to back it up) but those are valid arguments for repeal. The Graves Amendment needs some definite changes to it. (A person with a BB gun in their car should not have to faces charges under the Graves Amendment). Use these ideas for drafting the new gun law and as basis for the repealers.

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There is still hope. I know I am getting way off topic, but the recent example of Wisconsin ( a liberal state) approving conceal carry was one of the biggest wins for the community. Another pro gun win but didn't get much coverage was Michigan allowing the use of silencers. South Dakota is trying to pass Constitutional Carry requiring no conceal carry permit, we tried it here but it didn't go anywhere. But Kentucky did expand the places one could carry in a car without a permit . Other states have gone Constitutional carry, Alaska, Arizona and Wyoming joining long time Constitutional carry state, Vermont. Reading through various forums and sites, other states are trying for Constitutional carry in addition to SD, there was talk of New Hampshire . Also there is a move in Virginia in trying to do away with the state POC Nics and go with the Federal NICS. The Virginia NICS have been plagued with delays in some cases of a week according to some reports. Virginia's one handgun a month is waived if you have a CCW permit. Missouri dropped the requirement for a purchase permit to buy a handgun and that is across the board including non ccw holders. There has been talk of having CCW in Illinois and some seeing leaving Chicago out of it might insure its passage, kind of like NY State where a carry permit isn't valid in NYC unless stamped otherwise. Its better than nothing. While Florida still has a 3 day waiting period for a handgun, it is waived if you have a CCW. Point being, there have been a lot of wins in recent years, and yes including Heller. The push for HR 822 is on. The anti-gunners in restrictive states can no longer keep using 40 and 50 year worn out excuses like they did in the late 1960's to justify purchase permits and waiting permits and the like. The old NRA mantra about hunting and sportsmanship in the 1960's has gone away to favor personal defense.

NFA Trust , those listed in the trust can use the item as well. If a person dies the item stays in the trust. NFA items include, silencers, machine guns, short barreled rifles/shotguns, destructive devices like Striker 12 and over .50 cal guns, AOW like pen guns, cane guns and wallet guns. AOW only requires a $5 tax stamp but still requires the 4 to 6 month wait and the paperwork unless going the trust route.. Surprisingly New Jersey allows a Machine Gun, Short Barrel and AOW. Chances are it will be impossible to get. Surprisingly Connecticut is a NFA state but allows only full auto but not select fire, while Vermont does not allow silencers it allows everything else. In some other states like Missouri a C & R license is needed as well. Virginia all NFA items have to be registered with the State. California allows most of them , but approval is said to be impossible to get. New York...nyet...and so on. If you thought the conceal carry laws were confusing from state to state...look at the NFA laws from state to state and the odd requirements for each. Some are trying to start petitions to get some NFA items off the NFA list like silencers and SBS. Others are trying to get rid of the Hughes Amendment which only allows machine guns registered before 1986, so that newer machine guns can be sold. Only machine guns in the registry before 1986 can be sold to the public, that is why those machine guns generally run $10,000 to $20,000 or more. Otherwise post 1986 machine guns run $1000 or less, but they cannot legally be sold to the public. http://www.texasnfatrust.com/NFA%20Laws%20by%20State.htm

In some states..$200 tax stamp, fingerprints, pictures, LEO has to sign off on it, takes up to 4 to 6 month wait across the board. http://www.thehighroad.org/forumdisplay.php?f=58 NFA section on THR

As an outsider, I'll give a couple of ideas. This is going to be a long post, but important. I remember years ago NJ ham radio operators were trying to overturn the old 'scanner laws' . The old law stated that it was illegal to use or even have a 'police scanner' in a vehicle and it even some shortwave frequencies...and..even if the radio was not hooked up and locked in the trunk. There were exemptions for police and fireman and a couple of others. If one didn't fit the exemptions one could try to get a permit from the police to have one in the car. (Sound familiar?) Anyway permits were difficult to to impossible come by, (sound familiar?). A bunch of ham radio operators got busted over the years because their amateur radio equipment 'could' pick up police broadcasts and it didn't matter if they were listening or not. It was that restrictive and law provided for fines, confiscation of equipment and perhaps jail time. (Sound familiar?). With the amateur radio community and some decent politicians helping drafting some legislation. A new bill called S-305 modernized the old 'scanner law'. It repealed the old law and replaced wording so that anyone using a 'scanner' in the commission of a crime would be guilty. Now the new law didn't criminalize people using radios that might be able to pick up police radio frequencies or shortwave. It just made the use of a radio in ones possession in the commission of a crime a chargeable offense with fines and I think prison time. Some of those who are in law enforcement might remember the old mobile scanner law in NJ that dated way back to the 1930's. Not long after, the Federal Communications Commission ruled that mobile scanner laws cannot be held against licensed ham radio operators if their ham radio equipment was able to receive police radio frequencies. Thus licensed ham radio operators received preemption from from these laws in all 50 states. (kind of a HR 822 for licensed ham radio operators) Whats my point? Simple, I understand there have been legislation to introduce CCW in NJ. This is great but go further. My thinking is, that why not have the NJ2AS along with pro gun politicians to draft legislation that intends to replace the entire antiquated 1966 FID system and pistol permit and carry requirements and replace it with a totally new law. A new law that modernize the entire gun control act in NJ from top to bottom. I know nothing about the modern political process in NJ (aside from studying the NJ gun laws from 1898 to the 1966 FID law quite a bit in the last couple of weeks). I don't know how to draft legislation, I can only suggest. Start with a rough draft and revise it along the way, start here in the NJgunforums. Then work with NJ2AS and some pro gun politicians. Surely this will get a lot of positive press in the gun community and may even get the NRA off their a** and help NJ gun owners for a change (In My Opinion). It will get a lot of negative press too, and you'll need talking points to counter it. The antiquated 1966 FID and six months waiting for a permit is great opening fodder. A liberal state like Wisconsin enacting conceal carry is another talking point. Increase penalties for those using weapons in the commission of a crime. Expand the bill to include a streamlined carry permit system, repeal "health, safety and welfare" what ever the hell it means with solid and defined wording. Put everything the community wants in the bill and toughen the laws against criminals while restoring law abiding NJ gun owners rights. I used the NJ scanner law analogy so I could illustrate on how it could be used as a template to apply that to this. While it may be an over simplification and one could could argue that it is easy for me to sit here 600+ miles away and suggest all this. That is exactly what I am doing, giving a suggestion and giving an example on how one tactic worked on something in New Jersey that worked for both sides and both sides came out looking like winners. It was a win win situation.

I know the thread is about adult book stores...and I do not mean to derail it...just illustrate and respond to the comment. In a recent post on THR, I used almost the same analogy with religion...I did a hypothetical paragraph on how since the second amendment and religious freedom are protected. But only one of them applies completely in all 50 states. I came up with a 'what if' scenario if states enacted laws restricting religious activities and they varied from state to state...how soon would those laws get struck down ? I compared the 1966 Sills Act with what would happen if the same could be applied to religion... ....."then one in theory could use a reason for a 'religious permit' as well, then why not make everyone under go a background check with three references, fingerprints, photographs, mental health check, $100 in fees, a six month wait before a person can be allowed go to a church, synagogue or mosque? Call it 'the religious protection act of 2012' and see how far it goes legally...Both the second amendment and the freedom of religion is guaranteed by law. But only one of the two is really protected in all 50 states. 'Religious Permit' To further illustrate the stupidity of it all, suppose NJ only allows worship every other weekend, and institutes a 'religious permit' system. Illinois allows church one weekend, synagogue the next weekend and worship at the mosque the next weekend after that. Maryland decides where people can worship based on their zip code. Massachusetts decides to enforce a 'religious permit' on its citizens. California decides that cities over 200,000 must cut the amount of houses of worship in half in order to use the properties for commercial purposes to raise taxes. But in Pennsylvania there are no religious restrictions or permits to attend worship.... but it is all nice, fair, "reasonable" and legal...right? "

I first heard about these strange sounds not too long after the Tampa Bay/Detroit game was played, then it really started to go viral. Notice the announcers commenting on the sound. Some of the comments on You Tube said it was connected to the East Coast Quake. I can't say either way, but the announcers comments gave this thing credibility .....it was on TV live. http://youtu.be/jLXrw2iZ99Y

There have been many stories of animals acting strange before some event like an earthquake. If the animals start acting strange, take notice it could be an earthquake on the way.....and if you are hearing those noises and the pets are acting strange...then consider taking a run for the hills and get out of Dodge as they say.....

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That video from Ukraine is especially unsettling, but I have never heard anything like that in this area.

"Troopers seized a total of four firearms during the investigation. They included a semi-automatic pistol with large capacity magazine, fully automatic AK-47-type rifle..." That alone is a federal offense 10 years and a $10,000 fine for having an unregistered NFA item . I am guessing that he didn't have the $200 NFA stamp on him and it wasn't in the NFA registry.... The feds can add charges on top of what he is facing already IF it was an unregistered machine gun according to the reports. I know they are already illegal in NJ, but now they can add the Federal charges as well.

I was going to ask if crossbows were illegal or needed an FID...

Wonder if there are laws against carrying rubber bands in your pocket, because of the potential for making a slingshot is there. Next there will be politicians talking about how evil rubber bands are. Probably have new laws against having rubber bands and paperclips in the same room, certainly not in the same shopping bag or in the same area cause they can be used for a sling shot unless locked in the trunk in a box. Might need a purchase permit soon to go into Staples or Office Depot. Thing is anyone can make a slingshot with some wood and rubber bands, just don't get caught with it.

http://www.naumoski.com/crimes/weaponsoffenses.html Under N.J.S. 2C:39-3, the possession of various types of other weapons also constitutes a crime. Possession of any "destructive device" is a third degree crime. Possession of a sawed-off shotgun is also a third degree crime. Possession of a silencer is a fourth degree crime. Possession of any defaced firearm is also a fourth degree crime. In addition, possession of various types of other weapons, such as a gravity knife, switchblade, dagger, dirk, stiletto, billy, blackjack, metal knuckle, sandclub, slingshot, cestus, or ballistic knife is a fourth degree crime. Possession of body armor piercing bullets or ammunition is also a fourth degree crime, as is possession of a stun gun.