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In NJ they classify BB Pistols as handguns...

The pepper spray laws are better in New Jersey than Massachusetts. They require an FID for pepper spray in that state, http://www.mass.gov/eopss/docs/chsb/frb-fid-lic-app.pdf

Some points to consider How old is the roof (how much longer before a replacement is needed) How old is the furnace (how much longer before a replacement is needed) Water heater (how much longer before a replacement is needed) Taxes now Amount of rate taxes have gone up in last 5 years, last 10 years Is there a restrictive covenants that would prevent you from building something in the future? Neighborhood Associations and dues? Ordinances that prevent you from building something in the future Ordinances that prevent you from working at home if the opportunity arises What was on the property before the house was built? What are the neighbors like? Crime Rate Access to major roads and highways Why are they selling the house? Town or County road maintenance during snow storms, do they plow the street on time (good, average,poor) ?

The minutes from the hearing on the FID proposal in 1966 should be required reading for all on how the other side spewed out figures and statements without backing them up while pushing the legislation. Reading the crap that Sills spilled looks like it came right out of HCI and the Brady Bunch. Sills even used the analogy that people in certain professions get fingerprinted and actually used that as justification for the fingerprint proposal part of the bill. What happened to Sills later on? I guess it caught up with him, he died of a stroke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Sills The opposition to the 1966 bill was even more interesting as one gentleman made comparisons to gun registration and the resulting confiscation tactics that dictators used such as in Nazi Germany. This is why we need to study the tactics that the other side uses, they play on emotion and not true facts. I was reading the Brady Rating for Kentucky..(my State). And they claimed that there are no background checks done in Kentucky to buy a gun. What a blatant out right lie. There is no way I can go to my local gun store and buy a firearm without a background check. What are they smoking? In addition those that do have carry permits, permit holders are automatically checked out MONTHLY on NICS by the KY State Police.

Excellent article on the history of gun control (and almost confiscation) in Mass. It is important to know the history on what was attempted back then in hopes of preventing such things in the future. I know that Mass adopted NJ's FID system somewhere around 1970, somewhere along the way Illinois (possibly) adopted it in 1968 or 1970. As you know I been studying gun control for awhile and this article fills in some important information that really wasn't readily out there. In 1998 Mass turned its 'lifetime' FID card into one that had to be renewed every four years (five years another article stated). I will add that Arthur Sills in the hearings in 1966 for New Jersey's FID law in 1966 used such terms as 'reasonable' when trying to have the FID law passed. I could almost swear that some of the anti gun quotes used today could be attributed directly to Sills himself...in 1966. Illinois was the first state to have cities (such as Morton Grove) have handgun bans. I believe it was HCI (Handgun Control Inc) that was behind the Illinois move of handgun bans in hopes of it happening throughout the U.S. Except a year later, Kennesaw Georgia adopted a law that required residents to have a firearm and countered HCI and its minions from pushing forth more asinine ideas like "Morton Grove". New Jersey is not alone with a system that requires the 'Identification Card' for firearms. In addition to Mass and Illinois, Hawaii and Puerto Rico requires one was well. There are other states with variations on permits/cards to purchase pistols, such as North Carolina and Michigan (although you can ccw in those states) and of course NY State with its famous 'Sullivan Law'. Again, thanks for the interesting read!

I wonder if there was a boycott of the movies, books, music, products, tv shows of all these anti-gun celebrities, would it make a difference?

She is originally from Canada and probably been educated by the system there that guns are bad and only the mounties and provincial police should only have them. The other two on that top 10 list were not born in this country either, and maybe think the gun laws in their home countries should apply to Americans as well....Connery and Schwarzenegger.

Star Trek : The Garden State Kirk : Spock give that Phaser Spock : But captain, you don't have a Permit Kirk : What Permit? Spock : Sir, you need an permit to handle the Phaser Kirk : I am the Captain, now hand me that Phaser Spock : Captain you need the permit before I hand you the Phaser Kirk : Are you disobeying an order? Spock : Under sec 2C.357.3006.45 of Phaser Laws of the Galaxy you need a permit before I can hand you the Phaser Kirk : That is silly, I just used the Phaser yesterday Spock : The judge just ruled that the Phaser Laws of 3066 are valid and you now need a permit Kirk : Well get me the permit Spock : Sir you have to go under a background check, fingerprints, mental health check and wait 60 days Kirk : We don't have time, the Klingons are surrounding us, hand me that Phaser. Spock : Sir, the new laws also state that we cannot defend ourselves and we can only use the Phaser for target practice Kirk : Spock! Narration: " Watch next week for another exciting episode of Star Trek :The Garden State"

They don't run that commercial here.... Hearing it once (on that link) is more than enough for me. The ad should be considered "cruel and unusual" punishment. How many times a day do they run the ads out there?

My state is also 2 ...well that is 2 out of 100 http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard/KY "Kentucky has weak gun laws that help feed the illegal gun market and allow the sale of guns without background checks, according to the Brady Campaign. " I wasn't aware I can go to the gun store and buy a rifle or pistol without a background check....

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The only solution I see is moving to one of the upstate New York counties that give unrestricted carry permits. Understanding that the permit may take upwards of six months or more (one person had to wait 11 months, another 13 months). The permit will NOT be valid in New York City. Will NOT be valid in New Jersey either or any other state for that matter. You can apply for a Florida and/or Utah CCW out of state permit so you can carry in some states on your consulting job. http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/pistol-permits/ Map of NY State Counties that show where unrestricted carry might be available. http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/pistol-permits/6709-revised-permit-map.html

The firing line locked the thread.... At least I tried to inform.... "Since the OP is a straight cut-and-paste from another forum, with no commentary, it's a textbook drive-by post. " http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478907

Assuming having drivers licenses from two different states is legal. If your NY drivers license has a PO Box on it, would a PO Box on a NY City drivers license be an legal ID to even apply for some kind of a permit? If you want a carry permit in NYC, it is my understanding that either you have to live there....(very doubtful, unless you live upstate, politically connected or you are a law enforcement officer). Or have an established business there that involves large cash transactions.... Or you can be an armed security guard in NYC with carry restrictions like carry while on duty.

The above is also posted at http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?99894-NJ-gt-2012-CCW-Proposal-%28A-1493%29&p=1701101#post1701101 http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f97/nj-2012-ccw-proposal-1493-a-57641/#post707266 http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4957951#post4957951

Posted on THR http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7955804#post7955804

The used ones should be selling for much less. The pawn shop here was selling a used High Point 9 mm for $109 I almost bought it but settled on the 45 acp new instead. I think its better to buy locally, especially if the gun is only $100 to $150.

With permission, I'd like to post this (in its entirety) in the Activism Section on THR. http://www.thehighroad.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46

I read a long time ago somewhere that gun bans only work if the public cooperates. Question is, given the huge momentum with gun rights, conceal carry in a lot of the states, ammo and firearms sales up significantly and new gun owners every day. Does anyone realistically think that if 'they' "break the back of second amendment", will the public stand for it? I think the a lot of the momentum for the conceal carry movement seems to have started years ago as a backlash to the Clinton gun legislation. Illinois was the first state to have complete handgun gun bans in some of their communities...In 1981 Morton Grove prohibited hanguns http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Grove,_Illinois. Perhaps as a reaction to the Morton Grove ordinance, 1982 Kennesaw Georgia made it a law to maintain a firearm in your house. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia The public perception of firearms has turned over the years to self defense from its original sporting and hunting persona. Are the masses ready to give up their right to self defense? Hell no. We have a right to self defense in this country unlike the UK or Australia. Given such recent incidents as 'fast and furious' the public is now more aware than ever of what is going on behind the scenes. Will we end up like Australia and England with their gun bans and required turning in of weapons? I cannot see it without the public rising up and saying no and refusing to comply in most states. If the second amendment was 'broken' I think it would point out that this country has much more problems coming shortly after. Disarming the public is the first step toward a takeover by a dictatorship. The second amendment is in place to ensure such things do not happen in a free society. One might argue that the UK wasn't taken over after they pretty much effectively banned guns. In fact England is now a virtual police state with cameras on every corner, on streets, on highways, in all shopping areas, in the countryside...everywhere. The UK also has high crime and their citizens cannot defend themselves in any manner without getting prosecuted themselves. Is that where we are heading? Our founding fathers and the countless men and women who fought over the decades and centuries to make and help keep this country free must be spinning in their graves to see what this nation is becoming. Some have said that this could be the last truly free generation, I hope that is not the case. It is our hope that our children and our grand children and for future generations ahead that we must keep this nation free. To keep and maintain our rights to defend ourselves just like our forefathers have envisioned. For if we lose in this generation, we have let our future generations down as well as any possible hope for their future. If we give up our rights, we have pissed on the grave of every person who fought for this country to keep it free.

I wonder if her aunt (singer) Dionne Warwick will make a statement or speech.

I have the 45 acp, bought it for $159 (new). It is ugly but reliable and has a lifetime warranty... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Point_.45_ACP

As I understand it (from reading the history of the gun control laws of the states) Massachusetts (and Illinois) got their ideas for the FID system from New Jersey's implementation of the Sills FID gun control act of 1966.

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Congratulations to the both of you!

As I understand it, a sawed off shotgun is an NFA item. In some states they are legal if you go through the NFA 'process' which seems to be about 6 months for the paperwork to get done these days and, of course the $200 for the stamp. Generally a violation of the NFA is a 10 year jail sentence and a heavy fine..in some cases up to $250,000. NFA meaning the National Firearms Act of 1934 which made registration mandatory for machine guns, short barrel rifles and shot guns, silencers and AOW (Any Other Weapon) like the cane gun and pen gun and the Ithaca "Auto Burglar" . In 1968 GCA any gun over .50 cal was designated a DD (Destructive Device), black powder was exempted outright , shotguns because they have a 'sporting purpose' were allowed to remain a Title I item.