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While answering another handgun permit application question, I discovered this. I was about to apply for permits TODAY with the old form! I have the PDF file all filled out from previous use. http://www.njsp.org/about/firearms.html

The mental health form (SP-66) is manual and must be signed in the presence of the issuing authority. The background check consent (SB-212) is now online, and the issuing authority should give you their ID number to use when filing. Note this well: the SP-66 CHANGED ON 10/27/2014. If you have a previous version of the form and submit it it will be rejected. I'm going to post about this.

Read this, and be sure to see the "Gun Safe Ideal Closet Location" diagram fairly far down the page. Notice the relation between the hinge side and opposing sidewall to limit pry bar access. (Assuming the safe is bolted down.) http://gunsafereviewsguy.com/articles/where-to-put-a-gun-safe/

Guys, let's not confuse what I said. I said the handgun purchase permits were never filled out in advance. The handgun exemption application is always completely filled out when it's filed (both forms), and in advance of any purchase whatsoever. And I didn't 'get my information' somewhere. I am recounting my direct experience with the NJSP Firearms Unit, and Sussex Station. If JT's PD (or barracks?) does it differently, so be it. But it's not required by statute or regulation.

This is not required by statute or regulations, and the NJSP have never done this for any exemptions I've gotten. The vendor filled in all the permits for the exempted handguns as usual. After the NICS check was complete, of course. And, in fact, the permits and exemptions were delivered separately.

While I could appreciate the typing contribution of my PD filling out my permits for me, PK90 is right; only the seller is supposed to fill that in. I could thus interpret it as my PD limiting my use of the permits. What if I changed my mind and decided not to buy one or more of the handguns on the exemption? The exemption is just that; it's not a promise or commitment to execute any or all of the transactions. Having said that, if you're good to go with it all then JT is right; make the change and initial it. That is done all the time. Mistakes are made.

I'm sure the new surgeon general will try to codify this line of questioning in regulations in the near future.

The correct answer is 'Alabaster'. As Alabaster Americans we're going to have to stick together on a few things. Or we're going to be history.

FYI, when you do get them check the issue date and see how many days have elapsed since they were actually issued. (FYI - For Your Irritation)

I'll take a Chocolate-Creme-Filled please.

The serial numbers must match at the time the exemption is exercised, the NICS check is run and you take possession. The law says nothing about where the guns are when the exemption applications are completed. Hold on a second... what flavor doughnut did I eat this morning?

The fastest one they ever turned around for me was 1 day. For which I thanked them. Perhaps what's legal or illegal on any given day depends on what flavor of doughnut is delivered to the Firearms Unit that morning?

His name is Nick and he's a new addition. You will find him to be enthusiastic, helpful, and knowledgeable.

Yes I expected it might be very realistic. Although i also think the law is too vague, I can see the utility of it. Just think of the Cleveland kid that got killed in the park while waving around the Air-soft pistol that he made sure looked as realistic as possible by taking off the orange muzzle cap. If he had been in NJ he'd have been committing a crime. As many times as I've been in 2C:39, I never paid attention to that section.

Well there it is. Thanx NJJG.

The guy who supposedly committed five 'armed' robberies in the last month has been arrested as described in the article linked below, and charged: "He is charged for the Sussex County offenses with three counts of first-degree armed robbery, three counts of possession of an imitation firearm, two counts of third-degree theft, one count of third-degree making terroristic threats and one count of fourth-degree theft." Is anyone familiar with a statute that makes possession of an imitation firearm illegal? Or perhaps it's just illegal if used in the commission of a crime? http://www.njherald.com/story/27561131/2014/12/05/prosecutor-armed-robbery-suspect-planned-another-heist

Well this thread really set me off examining the various aspects of home security. Here's another article on safes (for gold and silver) that I thought summarized some key points and explained various UL ratings and what they mean. http://www.321gold.com/editorials/laborde/laborde120212.html My personal posture is that a RSC (residential security container) serves just two purposes: keep guns out of the hands of kids or any other casual visitors, and prevent any simple smash and grab burglar from just running off with everything. Most big box model safes are various levels of RSCs.The UL RSC classification means that any specific RSC labelled container will resist forced opening for up to *five* minutes by an attacker using simple, non powered, hand tools. We're talking screwdrives, hammers, and pry bars LESS then 18" long. RSC's are not rated against any attack by power tools or any attack lasting longer then five minutes. I have noted that given enough time and tools, ANY safe can be defeated. And time seems to be the most likely variable in play, since most residential burglars don't travel with torches, explosives, six foot pry bars etc. So in other words if I buy a $5,000 safe but have no alarm system to dramatically shorten a burglar's work time, I may not have accomplished much. So when thinking safe and secure gun storage, don't focus just on the safe as your single point of failure. Include: A house as secure as possible, with obvious security weaknesses removed. A monitored alarm system so burglars have limited time to work. Insurance to cover the amount of your gun collection you'd like to recover. (Almost anything can be replaced if you have the money.) A closed mouth, so the fact you even have a safe and why is not public information. A safe whose strength and security is commensurate with the value you're protecting, bolted down in an appropriate fashion. Perhaps some select firearms concealed elsewhere in the house. (If they can see it, your safe is an obvious suggestion where to look.) At least a basic plan of defense against home invasion. (Do they have to break the safe open if they have a gun to your wife's head and ask you for the combination?) Just some more things to think about. At the end of the day, security is an illusion.

Well, as I said, the last time I did this was December of 2013. If they have changed their mind on how to enforce the law i guess that wouldn't surprise me. Is the change to their policy published anywhere... in writing? OK, it was a rhetorical question.

Right. You put them on the exemption form, the NJSP Firearms Unit puts them into the database, and the same serial numbers must be entered online when your exempt NICS check is run. (Or provided verbally if the check is not done online.)

Exactly correct. At least 30. Handguns purchased on an exemption do not check or reference, and are not checked or referenced by, other non-exempt purchases. All non-exempt purchases of course do check and reference the 30 day calendar limit.

I have done this twice, in 2012 and 2013. I bought xx handguns on Monday, and another one on Wednesday. I did not have a problem, and I am not under arrest. Nor did it even raise a question. In the NICS online screen, if you select a multiple handgun purchase you are required to put in the serial numbers. It's not a matter of 'throwing up a flag to the NICS people'. The process won't proceed without serial numbers. The NICS software will look up those serial numbers in the database to see that they in fact were approved.

Any handguns purchased on a multiple handgun exemption are just that: exempt. The 30 day clock has nothing to do with them. You can buy another pistol the next day, or the day before. The one thing you can NOT do is use one NICS check for both handguns on a multiple exemption AND a handgun on a regular P2P (which does observe the 30 day clock). I have done this twice.

http://gunsafereviewsguy.com/ Read this guy. Then decide what level of protection your collection requires.

This thread got me thinking about the various quality levels of safes. Here's a site I haven't gotten all the way through yet, but he really sounds like he knows his stuff. A lot of real world info and pointers. http://gunsafereviewsguy.com/

Think of the certain community in Edison that has had the four home invasions this month. I saw some of them on the news at the Edison police department meeting stating how they were definitely going to get a gun to defend their family and their property because the police were nowhere to be seen and couldn't stop anything. Wait until they find out it takes three to six months to get an FID or P2P in Edison. Just keep your doors locked until then!