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You guys better go back to the OP and read the bill. Please notice the pronouns I have capitalized below. First, it says: 1. a. An applicant for a firearms purchaser identification card or permit to purchase a handgun shall not be issued the card or permit unless the applicant presents evidence of successfully completing A firearms education program of A type approved by the Superintendent of State Police or has received substantially equivalent training through law enforcement or military service. The NJSP is the only arbiter of what programs are acceptable, but there might be a number of them.Then it says: Acceptable evidence of successfully completing A firearms education program shall include, but not be limited to, a certificate indicating satisfactory completion of A National Rifle Association firearms course... Implying that NRA courses and certs would be OK. But they're not! It then says: THE firearms education program, which shall not exceed four hours, may be offered by the National Rifle Association, a State or local law enforcement agency, junior college, college, university, firearms training school, or any other entity approved by the superintendent. The superintendent shall prescribe the basic curriculum for THE firearms education program required under this section. In other words THE program doesn't exist yet, and any NRA certs you have up to this point are not relevant. Only the NJSP Superintendent (and his committee) decides what an acceptable curriculum is. Then we add: c. THE form or certificate issued pursuant to this section shall be valid, and shall be used, for an application for an initial firearms purchaser identification card or initial permit to purchase a handgun. Please notice there is NO MENTION of grandfathering in existing FIDs. You've already got yours and you're not worried? Fine. Now go back and read the previous paragraph again. EVERY TIME you apply for a permit to purchase a handgun, you've got to provide proof of training. Every P2P you ever get is, at first, an INITIAL permit; it is not a permit renewal! Lastly, go read the bill summary and notice it does not comport with the actual text of the bill. Can we fool you again? Please stop focusing on the advisability and benefits of safety training. Nobody wants unsafe gun owners. The ISSUE is that New Jersey is crafting another half-assed, ambiguous, ill-defined law that they will misinterpret and administer through REGULATIONS ESTABLISHED BY THE NJSP (not the law itself) to STOP YOU from acquiring firearms at every possible opportunity. Or does everybody really want to go back to government school? I do not.

Hey... where's the horizontal damper tube? Maybe it's the flyback? Uh oh.. now I've dated myself. A TV man from the 70's.

FM pays 2.50 per pound for returned ammunition brass. The brass you return can be a mixture of any caliber they reload. Price is only dependent on weight. The current scrap brass price (for anything brass) is about $1.65/pound.

You can't specify what brass you want in reloaded ammo, from FM or anywhere else. You get what they send you, and that may include nickel plated rounds because they reload whatever brass they have on hand. If you want to be assured you have nothing but non-nickel brass, you'll have to buy new ammo. You can send in any brass you have, including what you just received after you shoot it. The only qualification is that brass you send in must be a caliber that they reload.

Hey Howard, how/where did you find the free shipping code to use with the sale?

While it sounds cute, and you 'might' get away with long gun purchase at these locations, the fact is the handgun transactions are all illegal to begin with and the authorities are willingly suspending their enforcement of the law. All the transport (that doesn't follow the law) to the location is illegal, the transfers without paperwork are illegal, and you buying a handgun on a public street (even with your P2P) from an anonymous stranger would also be illegal. So how long would it take for the authorities to stop looking the other way? Especially if they'd like to make an example of you. I would not consider this a buying opportunity at any price.

This thread was running: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/72216-lol-nj-gun-buybacks/?hl=a2895 Sure, they're technically illegal and participants violate all kinds of NJ state laws. But the governments are free to violate and/or ignore their own laws. Who's gonna stop 'em?

In my view, a government with the size, scope and power of our current federal and state ones, aided and abetted by the bureaucracy and court system, is potentially a far greater threat to our lives and freedom than any 'idiots' who could cross my path. In addition, idiots are generally a one or two time occurrence, if at all. The government is with us every hour of every day. Therefore, although it sounds rational, I would opt not to require any training or requirements dictated by any federal or state government. It only weakens our civil position, and guarantees nothing.

Well, apparently the Hodgkins IL social life must have been slow. My FM order arrived a day early. Today.

They're not morons. They're committed ideologues. And their commitment is to disarm the law abiding citizens of New Jersey. They don't want you armed.

There must be a really good House Of Ill Repute (or diner?) in Hodgkins IL. The trans-con trucks never seem to get through there in less than 24 hours. My order arrived there Sunday 9:26 AM and hasn't left yet. Scheduled for Friday delivery.

Patience has it's own rewards. Good for you Howard.

I believe line 19 is for the scenario where a minor breaks into your house. You had a loaded gun in your nightstand, because there's just adults in your house. The minor takes it and shoots someone. You had your firearm secured behind a locked door; you did not 'allow access'. Then the question I think they will raise in court is 'was that locked door sufficient?'. They're never done in NJ.

My pardon. Then you're right; 'something' per pound is worth more than in the trash bin.

I don't believe he's seen anything but unfavorable publicity. As soon as the furor dies down, it will be back to prosecutions persecutions as usual. Especially if you're a Caucasian male. See 'Brian Aitken'.

You can't send back .22 LR. They only accept calibers that they reload. See their list.

I sent 50 pounds of brass back in a large flat rate shipping box which cost $17.45. At $2.50 / pound the brass credit was $125. Less $17.45 shipping netted a $107.55 credit against my order. Now you know why I'm a Brass Whore.

Thanx Zack! Order coming up. Howard: don't despair. Just keep enough in house so you can ride until the next shipping offer. And keep collecting that brass!

No. Form SP-642, the application for a permit to carry a handgun, must be accompanied by a $20 money order. Not $50.

I predict you will like it. My wife and I have shot over 5K rounds of their various calibers with no significant issue. At >=30% less than factory I would even accept a few misfires. Or something. And they are as clean as any factory rounds I've shot. Better than some. P.S. Got any used brass to send them? The last 50 lbs. I sent them took $100 (net after shipping) off my order. On this deal for 1K rounds the net cost would be 20 cents per round. For .45 ACP!

I saw that. 29.8 cents a round, and if you order two boxes (or >$199 total) shipping will be free. Should have waited on my last order!

Expires tonight. http://www.freedommunitions.com/dealoftheday.asp Free shipping on all orders over $199.

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If that's true it's too bad. Historically sending them in directly eliminated any 'administrative' delay at the local PD. Also if true, Isn't it nice how a 'new LT' gets to change the procedure for the entire state?

Any handguns bought on a Multiple Handgun Exemption should not have a 30 day clock attached to them, nor should they be referenced by other single permit purchase clocks. Hence the word 'exemption'. I have twice exercised MHEs in between two other single permit purchases that bounded a 30 day window, in 2012 and 2013. (Unless there's been an administrative change in applying the statute.) If the OP would say, why was an exemption used for a single handgun purchase? If you bought a single handgun on an exemption and the FFL put the NICS check through as a single purchase, and not as a MHE with reference to a specific serial number, that might explain it.