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I posted about this in another thread, but I thought it might merit a headline for anyone who doesn't realize this, or forgot about it. Since A3796 became law last summer, there's a 180 day window open for anyone to legally sell or transfer a non-compliant weapon to someone else in another state where the weapon is not prohibited. Or render the prohibited weapon inoperative and register it with the NSJP, before the window shuts. The law was approved August 8, so the window shuts February 8. Thanx to PK90 for this link: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/PL13/117_.HTM

Since A3796 became law last summer, there's a 180 day window for anyone to legally sell or transfer a non-compliant weapon to someone else in another state where the weapon is not prohibited. I don't recall the exact date the 180 day window will shut. But it's still open now. Or render the prohibited weapon inoperative and register it with the NSJP, before the window shuts. Update: I believe the window shuts on February 8.

Howard: the delay is the NJSP. My wife will be 26 weeks on Tuesday. That's half a year.

I should have said in my first post that you MUST be either LE, or a member of the GSSF. I am. Forgot about that detail. But joining the GSSF for at least two years brings its own rewards: one coupon per calendar year to purchase a Blue Label gun with the appropriate discount. Note: you must be a member for over a year, or a multi-year member, before you get your first coupon. http://www.gssfonline.com/GSSF_Pistol_Purchase_Program_Information.pdf. I knew back when I'd have more than one Glock, so GSSF and the Armorer's Course made sense for me.

If you want to know how to completely tear down a Glock and put it back together, yes. You will also learn a considerable amount about how the pistols work, and be able to buy (almost all) parts for Glock pistols direct from Glock at a reduced price. I never regretted taking it, and I'll renew when it's time.

Two more votes from my wife and I.

Thanx JM. That would match up with my wife's experience, assuming she gets hers next week! To be fair, and FYI, we both applied on the same day in July for permits. At the 18 week mark I applied for a MHE and pointed out that the permits were taking a lot longer than I anticipated, and that for a variety of reasons I could really use the permits by 11/30. And I received my permits and approved MHE on 11/27. So they didn't ignore my request and did issue my permits as I requested. So the FIU was accommodating and responsive in that respect. (OK, I shouldn't have had to wait 18 weeks to begin with.) Then we sent another letter on 12/4 basically asking what's the hold up, if permits through the Hope barracks only took 8 weeks? No answer to that one. This is one instance I really wish I had a contact inside the FIU who would tell me the straight dope on why some permits take forever, and others (while still too long) don't.

RyanJ: do you have concrete examples of others who waited 6 months through NJSP and the Trenton FIU? My friend got his in November after 8 weeks through the Hope barracks. But my wife is into week 25 through Sussex. And I have good evidence to suggest that the holdup is NOT at Sussex Station and Sgt. W. et al. It seems like the FIU is not necessarily doing first-in, first-out. But I can't get any concrete facts to back that up. I'm going to file a formal complaint at week 26.

FYI, the state appeals court just said today 'we don't care', and that there's no right to self defense outside the home, and the law should stand. http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/opinions/a3704-11.pdf

For the record, there is no 'space provided therefor on the application form' for the applicant to indicate relevant information to 'demonstrate a thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns' on form SP-642 - Application For Permit To Carry A Handgun.

Oakridge & PK90: Since you are FFLs in this state and it's your bread and butter business I can certainly appreciate your cautious approach on this topic. My FFL spoke to the NJSP FIU in summer 2012 when I executed my first MHE, with me participating. At that time our questions were very clear about what we could and could not do. It boiled down to this: any handguns on a MHE do not reference, and are not referenced by, any other handgun transfers subject to OGAM restrictions. That's what 'exempt from OGAM' means. It's like MHE transfers didn't happen. And as PB implied it's not a variable topic open to personal interpretation. It's yes you're exempt with an MHE, and no you're not on a single transfer. I can assure you my 'success' is not the result of some administrative oversight. It's the way the law and administrative procedures work and are administered. At least that is one process that IS working to our advantage. I guess this is why I'm still somewhat of a celebrity at my FFL. I'm the only MHE purchaser they've ever had.

You're welcome. I was trying to return the favors others have done me on this forum. I'd been looking on behalf of someone else for quite a while. They were always available on eBay, if you wanted to pay $50++. Not! Merry Christmas!

Oakridge & PK90: Yes I have. Twice. Most recently, on 11/27/13 I executed a MHE with transfers from both my FFL & a private party, and on 12/4/13 I transferred another pistol from my FFL. Needless to say, the NICS checks were uneventful and my FFL is smiling broadly. "Multiple Handgun Exemption" means just that: exempt! There is a plethora of bad information floating around this state on this topic. I'm sorry to say it but a lot of LEOs simply do not understand the law. Or, are interested in confusing and restraining you?

The synopsis: "Knock knock. Anyone home?" No answer. "Then I think I'll kick the back door in... and into the kitchen I go... " "Oops... is that a blender, or a .38 Special in your hand ma'am?" Buh bye.

My most sincere sympathies. Your New Year's Resolution: "On acquisition I will always set a use-or-renew my permit task WITH A WEEK'S PRIOR REMINDER in my Calendar program". A used permit is a happy permit.

The following story appeared in the NJ Herald yesterday. The story itself is sparse on details. After taking the trouble to kick the door in, a burglar was confronted by the female home owner. He then chose to leave. Why? The story didn't say. Now, today, read the comments on the story to get the Paul Harvey version. Apparently the neighbors are somewhat tight knit. http://www.njherald.com/story/24293996/2013/12/24/green-woman-thwarted-burglar This is why my house is in Condition One, even in the woods. Come to think of it, especially in the woods. Merry Christmas!

HBFN7: I don't honestly know. I never asked one of the team members, because it was a non-issue! I wasn't really paying attention to them. I didn't buy my first firearm until 1978.

I'm sorry to hear that. I lived in Randolph in the 80s. Once we had been printed and background checked for Randolph PD, we would get P2Ps from Chief Booser in a week. A week! He didn't even bother checking you all over again. And why not? If you had done something bad, do you really think he wouldn't know. Good luck with your loudness.

I was not on the NJ HS rifle team circa 1962-66, but I remember them bringing their rifles to school on the school bus on the days they had a match. What a surprise: no one got shot. Only targets. This demonstrates clearly (at least to me) how far we've fallen. The rifles have not changed.

That's certainly your choice there 1LtCAP. I (and Bob) just wanted to be clear about what the law and admin procedures actually require and allow for anyone not willing or not able to wait. I have (twice) executed single transfers on exactly the 30 day boundaries with MHE transfers (both FFL and private seller mixed) in between those boundaries. And I'm still here to talk about it. Note: When the NICS check is done for a MHE the FFL indicates that fact either over the phone or on the online screen. That's the cue for the system that no OGAM calendar checking will be done, and serial numbers must be provided. When a private seller is involved on a MHE, I make sure that a note accompanies any P2P copies that go to NJSP. The note points out that the enclosed permits' handguns ARE members of MY MHE. That way whoever opens the envelope at the Firearms Unit realizes that no OGAM checking is required,doesn't do any out of ignorance, and just checks the serial number for legality. Note 2: You MAY NOT include a handgun on a single transfer in a NICS check for a MHE. The transfers on a MHE must stand alone.

If Bob was not right: 1. The word 'exemption' would be meaningless. 2. Four of my NICS checks would have been rejected. 3. I would have been arrested. Twice. 4. My FFL would have lost their license.

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No, Bob is correct. MHE transfers make no reference to other transfers and OGAM calendar calculations, and are not referenced by other single transfers. I have proved this on more than on occasion. And that holds even if some transfers on the MHE are from an FFL, and others are from private sellers.

Thanx Plode; that's exactly what we're contemplating. I have solicited opinions from two people who I consider 'informed' and am waiting for their view on this course of action. Thinking ahead, if filing an official complaint is constructive and/or productive, shouldn't everyone with a delay over (pick a number) days file one?

Bob has pointed (again) to all the right info. Notice one thing the court said in its decision: "Undoubtedly, the statutory deadline was prompted by a desire to avoid dilatory consideration of the application. But the consequences of automatic approval of a permit at the expiration of the thirty day period would be visited on the public for whose protection the statute was enacted." The court admitted the statute was written to prevent police authorities from taking their sweet time with approvals. And then obviates the statutes intent by presuming terrible consequences if they can't get approvals done on time. And then throws the whole requirement out, effectively saying 'OK take your sweet time'. Dilatory consideration is what many of us are now subject to. This is not right and should be addressed. And by the way, on December 9th my wife sent a letter to the Firearms Unit inquiring on the reason for the EXTRA delay (23 weeks on her permits as compared to a friend's delay of 12 on the same path), and as of today has received no acknowledgement or answer.