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And notice that it says 'within 30 days from the date of receipt of the application'. Not 30 days from when we feel like it, or 30 days after we start a background check, or within 30 days after the Chief comes back from vacation. We all know our state Supreme Court decides which laws they want to enforce, and which ones they don't, and which ones they'll just ignore for their convenience. (Think Toricelli, and 'within 30 days of the election') And they've already decided they're not going to force all the PDs to comply. My wife is currently in week 23 waiting on the NJSP for her permits. I'm going to contact a few pertinent people and see if we can't do something about this in 2014. Other than bitch informally.

Those of you who own Range Rovers and want to apply for CCW may now attach to your application the video of the Essex County prosecutor announcing this morning that the target of the carjacking was indeed the Range Rover, and by implication the driver. That means that according to her you are a target, now. If you also live in Essex County, you may also show that you live in the carjacking capital of both NJ and the USA and are therefore at more risk than anywhere else. I know, I know... it's just my Holiday Fantasy. Never mind. I'll have some more eggnog.

Good job there DD. Nice cleanup of the particulars too. I only looked in 2013. Why don't you get a part time news job? NONE of the NJ media have been able to connect the dots so far. By the way: while commenting on this episode yesterday, Eric Bolling of The Five on Fox News remarked that he lives three miles from the Short Hills mall, near some less desirable urban areas, and that he might apply for his license to carry. I emailed him that he will have no luck with that application, unless he has some financial and/or political connections he can leverage. I also told him if he wanted to make a NJ project out of it I'd be happy to guide him through it. No response so far. I'll be very surprised if I get one.

I don't have links, but you can search as appropriate for the previous four. 4/19/13 Range Rover carjacked at gunpoint from Woodbridge mall; 4/25/13 Range Rover carjacked at gunpoint from Parsippany Wawa; 5/8/13 Range Rover carjacked at gunpoint from Cranford Dunkin Donuts 7/13/13 Range Rover carjacked at gunpoint from Hoboken.

And number SIX happened in South Orange Sunday night. This time the carjackers made a house call. If I personally owned a Range Rover, regardless of where I lived, I would be on alert for any other cars following me. Especially to my home. Of course if the thieves would be considerate enough to follow me into my garage... (OK, yes I know all the scenarios that would work against me. But I enjoy Hollywood once in a while too.)

You have an imminent need. This is the fifth Range Rover carjacking in NJ in 2013. Now finally a victim has been killed. So if you have a Range Rover you are a demonstrable target. I'd love to see someone try this. OK, I know. Faint hope.

You won't 'forget' the transfer date on a F2F transaction unless the dog eats the completed pink copy of your pistol permit, which you do retain after the sale. Right? And that is your proof of transfer, if the seller 'forgets' to send in the two copies to the PD and/or NJSP. I would suggest taking good care of those.

Then Merry Christmas, Mrs. Ironman.

RagTop has a good point, if the wife will ever want to graduate to a center fire caliber. You can also buy a P226 in either 9 or 40, the .22 conversion kit, and the conversion kit for the other center fire caliber if you like . I know for a fact this works well. Effectively three pistols with one permit, and rim fire or center fire practice with the same frame and trigger. One caveat: the conversion kits have been scarce lately. So if that's the course you like you might want to locate all the pieces before taking the plunge on the frame.

Ironman: it's your wife's pistol. Right? Does she already have an M&P too? My wife really likes her M&P 22. And it shoots whatever we put in it. She rejected some of the other 22s mentioned because the grips were too small for her hands.

Well now, in New Jersey that's the equivalent of winning the lottery. Congratulations! You're my first!

You cannot execute four permits (all with the same issue date) in a 90 day permit window and adhere to OGAM. A permit is considered legitimate for a 90 day window. This is an inclusive date window. The issue date is Day 1 (and NOT day 0) and the expiration date is Day 90. The OGAM law is an exclusive date window. Therefore the date of a transfer is treated as Day 0. The next day is Day 1, and the next transfer is legal on Day 0 + 30; or Day 30. If you get the permits the day they are issued, execute your first purchase on the issue date, and wait the requisite 30-day-per-purchase window: Purchase 1 Day 1 Issue date Purchase 2 +30 = Day 31 OK with OGAM Purchase 3 +30 = Day 61 OK with OGAM Purchase 4 +30 = Day 91 No good; permit has expired. And I've never met anyone who received their permits on the issue date and executed a transfer that day! If you ever have to write a program for a banking purposes and do calendar arithmetic, trying to write that code makes this clear. Interesting factoid. You can theoretically buy 13 handguns in a calendar year with 5 days to spare for purchase dates that need to fall on holidays or Sundays when NICS is closed. You'd need to have valid permits ready at all times for that scheme. And of course, the $$. But it's more than 'one gun a month' from a calendar year perspective. Only in New Jersey could exercising the 2nd Amendment hinge on calendar arithmetic. Sad.

The Multiple Handgun Purchase Exemption is a permission slip to buy more than 1 handgun at a time and ignore the one per 30 day limit. You must still have a valid pistol purchase permit for each handgun you buy. The 'catch' is that you must supply the make, model, caliber and SERIAL NUMBER of all the guns you want to buy in advance.. So you must 'lay in' or identify all the handguns you desire, gather their data and apply for the exemption. The exemption is not permission to go shopping for whatever guns you want and figure it out as you go. There is no charge for the forms. You can download the forms from the NJSP website. I suggest you do that and read them. I say 'forms' because there's one for you, and one for each 'supplier' of the handguns you want. It might be one FFL, more than one FFL, a mix of FFL and private seller etc. But the key is the SERIAL NUMBER. All the handguns must be identified in advance. When you use the exemption it's one NICS check for each FFL multiple-gun transaction, and the usual paperwork for a private sale. E.G. if you buy five handguns from one FFL, it's one NICS check and one transaction. Five pistol permits still required, of course.

Norseman: yes I concur completely. I think I mentioned something along those lines in a previous post. Those of us who went to Trenton at the beginning of the year all remember the bored looks on the committee faces as we patiently explained the Constitution, natural law, common sense (ours, not theirs) etc. Police chiefs and judges will be just as bored reading it in an attached letter. That's why the letter should specifically call out legal precedents (or similar constructs) that can later be leveraged in a court fight. The real purpose of the letter would be to expose the state's position that what we think is a right, they think is a privilege. After it's been exposed and documented, it can be litigated. And our applications should provide as much ammunition as possible for our side of the court fight. I know I'm not qualified or educated enough to pull that together (this century) so a 2A lawyer with litigation experience would probably be very valuable addition to letter writing.

With respect to 'justifiable need' there are only two strategies to take. 1. Accept that you must justify your need, and then try to construct a verbal recipe that you think will convince your local police authority and a judge to grant you CCW. 2. Reject that you must justify your need, and then supply the justification for your rejection of that premise. In my view, option 1 plays the state's game; that is to make a judgement based on opinion. It presumes that CCW is a privilege to be granted by judgement of the state. And the reason no one applies for CCW is because they know they will lose that argument; their opinion will not carry any weight. Option 2 rejects the legislature's and administration's authority to transform a right into a privilege. The letter of 'need' would therefore explain why 'justification of need' is (take your pick) illegal, unnatural, immoral, unconsititutional etc. Success with this option would require judicial action to override the administrative and legislative posture in NJ. I don't expect local police authorities and judges to concur. They know they are (currently) in the driver's seat. Given the recent election results, I have no current hope at all that Option 1 will ever succeed. Or that the legislature and administration will change their mind and relax the criteria. Therefore I'm personally pondering Option 2. I have at least my 642 filled out. The accompanying letter is more difficult. Note: Of course there is Option 3: use nepotism, political or financial connection to get a wink and a nod. Not available for most of us.

I was exact about the day count. With the previous day-of-purchase being day 0, my next purchase was approved on day 30. The NICS computer program does an arithmetic calculation and says yes or no. It doesn't factor in 'personal recommendations'. And in the case of a MHE, it ignores the date arithmetic entirely.

Just to be clear, there is no 'field' on form 642 where you plug in your 'justification'. The header text of the form explains that "Each person applying for a Permit to Carry and (sic) Handgun must supply a letter of need, specific in content, as to why they have a need to carry a firearm in the State of New Jersey. If this application is employment-related, then your employer must supply this letter." Therefore you can be as brief, or as verbose, as you want.

Let me amplify my previous post, briefly. I (and anyone else under the jurisdiction of the NJSP and not a local police department) would apply for CCW in the following way: 1. Download and fill in form 642. 2. Provide the three required references and signatures. 3. Have it notarized. 4. Send it, in triplicate and with $20, to the Trenton Firearms Investigation Unit. I have now applied for CCW. Regarding the letter of need: My current opinion is that the NJ requirements for 'justifiable need' should be completely ignored. The letter of need should (I think) identify specific legal and constitutional reasons why my CCW should be issued. Ideally the letter's reasoning would be based on principles of settled law in favor of CCW. (And I'm not sure how that should be constructed.) All applicants should probably have the same letter of need. So when NJ rejects all the applications requesting CCW on the basis of settled law, it would be obvious what the state is doing. And to be effective, I would think we'd need at least 1,000 committed applicants. Still thinking.

Nowhere on the application (642) is there any mention of training, or certification, or any field on the form to fill in on that subject. The only thing you need to supply besides the form is the letter of need. So at the time of application there is no need to do anything about qualification until you're at least in front of the judge. Which none of us will be. I'll have more to say later. But I'm really trying to think this through. To get to a real point of meaningful action. NOT to just ruminate more on the subject. I'm inclined to agree with 'ramming speed'.

I have no experience with a 642, but do with an LCR. I have no complaints about the LCR. I thought it shot well, and almost disappears in any concealed scenario. I would say rent and shoot both if you can, and then make the call based on your preference. One thing: if you do decide on the LCR, plan on changing out the front sight. The black sights were all but useless, in my opinion. The XS Standard Dot Tritium sight made a big difference. In darkness or in light. Or buy the version with the sight already installed.

http://www.freedommunitions.com/category-s/53970.htm?Click=231707 Vlad: By the way, I SHOULD have said that their prices are for remanufactured ammo. Sorry. I've been buying from them a while and sending in used brass for credit. Their ammo has been really good so I don't really distinguish them that much from 'new' any more. I certainly wouldn't distinguish them from a completely mixed lot of factory stuff. The 5% discount is supposed to start at midnight. They are in the Pacific time zone, so I'm not sure which midnight they're referring to.

The final timeline is in: 07/23/13 Permits application submitted to NJSP Sussex Station 10/29/13 MHE application submitted to Trenton 11/01/13 MHE approved in Trenton 11/15/13 Permits issued in Trenton 11/22/13 Permits check cashed 11/27/13 Permits and MHE ready for pickup at local barracks Has it occurred to anyone that buying handguns in NJ is similar to 'Paradise By The Dashboard Light'?

OK guys. These prices are very competitive. Just be sure you realize you're getting xx pounds of ammo. The caliber will be the same, but the bullet vendor, type, weight and charge will be an entirely mixed bag. So if you DON'T care about consistency of what you're shooting, go ahead. Perhaps xx pounds would be good to use for a torture test. If your pistol(s) fire multi-magazines of a completely mixed lot, you're confident! Freedom Munitions 5% off price this weekend is only 2-4 cents higher then these prices; plus shipping. But the batch you buy will be all the same. If that matters to you. I couldn't upload my FID document to AmmoMan. And when I went to email it, the link automatically fills in the message with "My order number is:". So I don't think you have to do this in advance. But you'll have to supply it before the order ships.

Still in stock and on the way! Thanx SRT, especially for the code.

Alpo: The GSSF states that you can use one Blue Label purchase coupon per calendar year. I don't know that Glock sends out specific instructions to it's dealers on what constitutes the actual 'purchase'. My FFL and I discussed this, and concluded it's the date the pistol is transferred to the purchaser, and the ATF 4473 is completed. If we're correct, then I can transfer one Blue Label pistol before 12/31/13, and the second after 1/1/14 and meet their policy. Frankly, if my permits are delayed until January, I will call GSSF and ask for dispensation. My opinion is they should not object to me transferring both pistols in 2014 if I'm being held up by my state. I was ready to take them in August. I see this morning the check for my permits was cashed yesterday. We'll see when the permits arrive.