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I'm not. One in 2013, one in 2014. If my permits don't come in until January...

OK, I found it. It's in the administrative code. Note that on the actual application, there's nowhere to enter the information as requested in the portion I have underlined below. I also love d (1.). Here they tell you if you have no 'urgent necessity' to carry a handgun, you won't. So if you're a future Knockout Game victim, you'll just have to take your lumps. If they don't kill you the first time, we may issue you a permit. I don't call that the definition of a 'may issue' state. I call that a 'demonstrated victim' state. 13:54-2.4 Application for a permit to carry a handgun (a) Every person applying for a permit to carry a handgun shall furnish such information and particulars as set forth in the application form designated SP 642. The application shall be signed by the applicant under oath and shall be endorsed by three reputable persons who have known the applicant for at least three years preceding the date of application, and who shall also certify thereon that the applicant is a person of good moral character and behavior. Applications can be obtained at police departments and State Police stations. (b) Each applicant shall demonstrate a thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns by indicating in the space provided therefor on the application form, and on any sworn attachments thereto, any relevant information. Thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns may be evidenced by: 1. Completion of a firearms training course substantially equivalent to the firearms training approved by the Police Training Commission as described by N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6j; 2. Submission of an applicant's most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; 3. Completion of a course or test in the safe handling of a handgun administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; or 4. Passage of any test in this State's laws governing the use of force administered by a certified instructor of a police academy, a certified instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified instructor. © Where available, the information in (b) above shall be accompanied and validated by certifications of the appropriate instructor(s). In the absence of, or in addition to (b) 1 through 4 above, the applicant shall provide any other available and accurate information which may evidence his or her proficiency in the safe handling and use of firearms, including most recent handgun qualification scores and whether he or she utilized the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry, courses attended in the safe handling and use of firearms, and extent of knowledge, however gained, of this State's laws pertaining to the use of force in the defense of person and property. (d) Each application form shall also be accompanied by a written certification of need which shall be under oath and which: 1. In the case of a private citizen shall specify in detail the urgent necessity for self-protection, as evidenced by specific threats or previous attacks which demonstrate a special danger to the applicant's life that cannot be avoided by means other than by issuance of a permit to carry a handgun. Where possible the applicant shall corroborate the existence of any specific threats or previous attacks by reference to reports of such incidents to the appropriate law enforcement agencies; or (continues with security guard info)

OK, thank you. Good luck with your collection. In summer 2012 my permits took 14 weeks and the exemption 3 weeks. All solely through NJSP. Now I'm past 18 weeks on the permits, and 4 weeks on the exemption. When I sent the exemption I included a very polite letter requesting they be issued by 11/30 since two of my transactions are GSSF blue labels that are calendar sensitive. As of today my checks haven't even been cashed. Faint hope. So it's still Handgun Guantanamo for me and my pistols.

I'm sure he got his 7 the same way I applied for my 8; you put the number you want in the 'Quantity of Permits' box at the top of the application. Bullzeye, if you don't mind: 1. Did you go through NJSP? 2. If yes, when did you apply? (I applied for 8 on 7/23) 3. When did you submit your exemption? (I applied for mine on 10/29) Thanx in advance.

Thanx OGG. I'd like to see where that's promulgated in a law or regulation. It can't just be word of mouth. There's nothing about that on the NJSP web site either.

Several posts in this thread have referred to 'qualification' as a requirement for a permit to carry a handgun. Where is this requirement codified? The application itself does not call for it, and 2C:58-4 only says "...the applicant demonstrates that he is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in 2C:58-3c., that he is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns, and that he has a justifiable need to carry a handgun." There is no mention of formal training or qualification.

I share your cringe. And I'm slouching towards PA.

Gringo: Well, I think I'll effectively do that. I believe in free enterprise; he's entitled to run his shop as he sees fit; I knew the policy before I bought the pistol. So it was my choice. But he has lost out (potentially) on more profit because of that policy. My usual FFL charges no rent for pistols purchased from them, and therefore has made significant profit on my account. I shall therefore give them the opportunity to find and receive any handguns I want, and choose not to buy them from the other guy, even if they're on his shelf. iCarry: My exemption last year was approved in three weeks and arrived with my permits that took 14 weeks. I sent this year's in on October 29 and haven't heard anything yet. Of course my permits aren't in either (17 weeks last Tuesday). I'll let you know. Boo: yes a shop going under could be a problem. But my belief is that the owner's at my FFL would ensure the handguns I paid for were transferred to me eventually one way or another. That is a risk I accept. // It's wonderful that I must strategize and plan this six to twelve month timeline on an annual basis to contribute to the reduction of violent crime in New Jersey. It would be too tempting to just buy what I wanted when I found it. /SarcasmOff/

If I foresee a need for more handguns, I submit for permits. I have a purchase plan, so I know how many I need. Then the acquisition starts through my FFL of choice. That's not a problem because I know it's going to take at least 10 weeks through the NJSP. Currently I'm at 17 weeks and still waiting. When my FFL acquires the handguns, I pay them for their sales price in full. No reason for them to be short the money while I'm waiting. In return, they hold the handguns in their safe for me at no charge, regardless of the wait time. This was our agreement. This is important to me. When the permits come in and I actually transfer the handguns, I then pay shipping, tax and NICS. And if I'm acquiring more than 3, I submit a Multiple Handgun Exemption about a month before my estimated time of issue. I don't fancy waiting on extensions. One note. Because this time I had an exact requirement for a particular pistol, and because I found it at another local shop and couldn't acquire it anywhere else with certainty, I contracted for that pistol there. However I'll be paying $10 a month for safe storage because that's what the shop owner wants; whether I paid for it all up front or not. As of now that will cost me an extra $40 minimum on one handgun. I also won't be buying any more in-stock handguns from that shop in the future. I like mutually rewarding relationships.

Here's a question: Would a Federal assault weapons ban be detrimental to anyone in New Jersey? I contribute to the NRA and other national organizations, and NJ focused organizations, in proportion to the threat I perceive. If a bad law passes in NJ, I can move out. If a bad law passes Federally, I have no where to go. Except possibly France. (Good wine and food, but no guns.) Consider that when formulating your donation strategy.

https://www.nra-2014.org/

Before you put in a generator be sure of your gas supply. http://www.njherald.com/story/24005589/2013/11/19/controversy-swirls-around-generator-that-cant-be-used-at-liberty-towers

Yes Bob, I get it. My post title was meant to be oxymoronic. 'Last' and 'revolver' do not appear together in your lexicon. By the way, I see from the article comments that to be technically correct, this is a Colt Single Action Army in caliber .45 Colt. Us pistol guys strive to be accurate too.

You couldn't resist this one; right? Jesse James' Colt .45 And after you buy this one, you won't have to worry about another one!

Congratulations. I'm at 16+ weeks and still waiting on NJSP.

Mega Dittos!

Well, when I finally do read that news article, I won't shed any tears.

I always warn the USPS desk clerk before I hand her the Large Flat Rate Box that it weighs 40+ pounds. And sometimes, while at a range, brass in the discard buckets finds its way into my range bag for a trip home. Damn!

Hey Mets Fan, don't fell awkward. I pick up everyone else's brass too. (After politely asking if they are planning to take it home.)

Put a piece of paper in the box. Every time you take out 50, 100 or whatever, note it. At the end of the box add it up. Then you'll know if you trust their count.

That's what I thought. Despite the claims by Democrats in the NJ Legislature, there actually is NO common sense in NJ. The two year clock is ticking. Time to start working on house plans for PA. The stepdaughter can visit us there... with her pistol!

I have an ancillary question on the OP's original. Can someone who is a PA resident legally transport a handgun to a NJ residence they don't own and keep it there until they go home to PA? (e.g. friend, family) Would having a PA LCF make any difference? If I was a PA resident with a PA LCF, was carrying my pistol, and was driving to visit a friend or family member in NJ, I'd know that before I cross the NJ border I'd have to unload the pistol and put it in the trunk etc. And I know this would be a valid mode of transport to pass through NJ to say NH per the Federal interstate transportation law. But what if the end point of my journey is a NJ residence? Would I have to leave my pistol home? If there are any PA residents familiar with this scenario I'd like to hear from them.

At the risk of sounding liberal, the answer depends on what the meaning of the word 'better' is. To me it means lowest cost of ownership per month. And I just went through this whole exercise. Consider these real numbers from my 163 month old 158,000 mile car history. $32,231 New 2000 model year car total purchase cost $18,700 Maintenance and repair (only) $3,000 Cash back at sale All that equals: $294 per month (for 13+years) or 30.3 cents per mile. And that's to have a progressively older car every year. Those numbers drove me to take a hard look at leasing. Plug your own numbers in for comparison. Of course a lot depends on what kind of car you want to drive, and what you're willing to pay for. If you want to compare owning to leasing, you must obtain the total cost of the lease, and then divide by the term months to get a legitimate comparison. Most dealers do not show you the total cost until you're actually signing, unless you demand it. The 'monthly payment' is just a detail, and usually designed to make you think you're getting a bargain. Real example: a Toyota Camry with a $303 monthly payment actually cost $415/month to lease when total cost is divided by 36 months. And one other thing about a leased car. If it's in an accident (especially a bad one) and repaired under insurance, at the end of the lease you turn it in and walk away. The fact that the residual value of the car has plummeted with the accident on record is the leasing company's problem, not yours.

I don't live in her district, but I have friends who do. I have prompted them to be sure to vote for her tomorrow. Now if only Sweeney...

Donna Simon; what a witch! www.simonsaysguns.com I believe everything I read on the Internet, especially from groups named "The Fund For Jobs, Growth and Security". Their radio and TV ads are just as persuasive. Who could argue with them?